https://www.campusreform.org/article...concerns/25452

Hunger strike in shifts probably will not be effective

Going back to the 1967 borders (or smaller 1948 UN resolution borders) is not anti-Zionist.

Of course it works both ways. It's a vicous cycle. October 7th was part of that, israels' response is and it continues.

Your perceived 'bias' is because israel is so much powerful and an ally. No-one is demanding we supply arms to hamas, many are arguing against supplying arms to israel.

I think there is some confusion about why we supply arms to Israel. It is to act as a carrot for Israel and as a stick for its enemies, to keep the fightin-g down. If you want the US to stop supplying arms to Israel for some principled reason, that is fine. But the end result of this is more fighting and death, potentially exponentially more. So dont have any illusion you would be doing the Palestinian people any favors with such a policy.

The entire "divestment" movement is an extremely thoughtless, uninformed one. Which is one of of the reasons it is so disappointing, considering it is coming from people that are theoretically going to university to learn how to critically think.

Now you’ve agreed that genocide is disgusting, maybe you can agree with the actual Holocaust survivor who supports Israel’s right to retaliate against Hamas but says what’s happening is a genocide.

you are right. they will surely regroup and continue the terrorization and theft. the only way this ends is when Israel ends.

Yes the only way you will be hsppy is no Jewish State

Everyone is entitled to an opinion including holocaust survivors. I can still disagree with his opinion

False. The one thing Oct 7 has done is make Jewish people realize that antisemitism is alive and more widespread than they imagined and every non antisemite in the world needs to be vigilant letting everyone know that OCTOBER 7TH WAS NOT OKAY and NEVER AGAIN

Your mind and other's like you was made up long before oct 7. You have denied the rapes, denied the extent of terror, and justified it. You were against Israel in October 6, 7, and 8th. Pretending that something changed for you is disingenuous. You didn't all of the sudden hate zionism

Only in your dreams

just not the current genocidal fascist apartheid one

Mets, do you agree that Israel should allow more humanitarian aid through? And do you agree Israel’s failure to do so is causing actual starvation in Gaza?

I really don’t give a **** if you call Bibi, and some dumb settlers’, attempts to block aid genocide or not. Those attempts amount to collective punishment and actually exert more pressure on Israel to back off than on Hamas to back off.

There should be more aid
Settlers or non government groups blocking aid should be prosecuted

Israel claims egypt not opening rafah is what is preventing aid

Who really knows

settlers should be prosecuted. and they havent been prosecuted well, ever. so now you think there is any chance it is going to happen?

the whole purpose of Israel is for the settlers to steal stuff.

Israel controls a lot more of the border and could literally truck the aid in themselves and distribute it if they so desired.

Of course Egypt could bail them out but Israel is still but-for cause of starvation in Gaza.

“Who really knows” is everyone who hasn’t turned his brain off entirely or been blinded by hatred.

How sure are you the narrative of not enough aid getting through is correct? We have been hearing everyone is being starved to death for about 5 months now. Yet you see pictures of Gaza (not the propaganda ones Victor posts, but real ones of people walking around) and it doesn't look at all like the narrative is saying it does.

And this doesn't even factor in how Hamas is stealing as much of the aid as they can, often by shooting Palestinians who get too close when they are stealing aid trucks and boxes.

I know Egypt said they are not allowing their borders to be used for aid, because they are upset Israel took over the Rafah border crossing (and likely interfered with their smuggling operations). And of course they are getting zero pushback for this. But other than that, I am not sure the narrative of not enough aid getting through is particularly accurate.

Even if you go to Al Jazeera and look at pictures of groups of Palestinians in Gaza, it doesn't look like anyone is starving. War sucks, I get that part. But the whole "Israel is starving everyone" narrative doesn't seem to actual match reality of what you see on the ground.

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content...513&quality=80

you mean Israel broke their treaty with Egypt and broke international law

they dont look starved either amirite

Trying to figure out how to constructively have the conversation about the impacts on Hamas using those UNWRA vehicles and UN schools for staging military ops. The last 24 hours the photo and video evidence on this has again brought the issue up.

If we can accept all the faults in the IDF plan, and there are many faults, then I think we have to recognize the innocent lives being risked by Hamas when they insist on using these sorts of agencies for operational cover. Innocent people die from this insistence on fighting this way. We could have far less dead in a world where this sort of thing wasn't done. And simultaneously I completely understand why they do it (because it's working).

maybe you could start by actually linking what you are talking about.

I mean what's the point? The IDF released drone footage, and also battled Hamas fighters in an UNWRA building.

Reuters and company have run the stories (the school, the marked UN vehicles, etc).

Anything I post you'll say "can't trust the IDF"

So frankly I have no interest in doing this loop with you that we always do. I'll let the others discuss it.

Hamas has zero tolerance for any dissent, or anyone coming in that isn't completely sympathetic to them. I think it is accepted that any NGOs or aid groups working in Gaza are going to be sympathetic to Hamas, or they wouldn't be allowed to operate in the first place. It is just something the western world just pretends isn't going on, as it is inconvenient towards the narrative. But everyone knows what is going on.

It is a catch 22. If your organization isn't sympathetic towards Hamas it cant operate in Gaza at all. So the choice for the UN is work with Hamas, and hire people on the ground sympathetic to Hamas, or pull out. And for good or bad the international community has chosen option A.

We just never get to quantify the impact on the human tragedy that form of fighting has. And it definitely has some. This fight could be a lot cleaner than it is. On both sides surely.