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Originally Posted by The Horror
It has been indiscriminate. This is pretty much uncontroversial. To argue that this is necessary to clear the path, fine, but there's been very little discrimination between civilians and terrorists when you kill this many women and children. Surgical strikes are impossible in urban warfare, so basically anything from the air is indiscriminate, justifiable or not.
When the enemy uses human shields and the territory is occupied by you, it's absolutely necessary to initiate a full counterinsurgency campaign on the ground.
Just as civilians will die in war, so will soldiers. This isn't immoral logic. This is how a just war is conducted.
It's immoral to value soldiers over civilians. Soldiers are combatants, too. Just with coordinated costumes.
Now, if Gaza were a state with sovereign borders, you'd have something resembling an argument, but it isn't, so you don't. Because they're occupied anyway, a ground invasion from the get-go would have been completely reasonable.
it is highly controversial, and false.
and every single civilian died as a human shield is a fiar target btw, it's not like you reward using human shields by denying yourself the possibility of bombing.
targeting building with Hamas inside isn't indiscriminate killing of civilians when civilians there die.
indiscriminate is targeting all buildings without info of who is occupying them for weeks, which never happened.
it is not immoral to value YOUR SOLDIERS more than THEIR CIVILIANS lol. it's actually morally imperative to do so, one of your soldier can be worth 100, 500, 5k civilians we can argue on the ratio, but it's certainly orders of magnitude more worthy of preservation for your country, morally.
Gaza wasn't occupied at all and was de facto sovereign since 2006. it was partially blockaded but that's not an occupation.
Israeli weren't inside Gaza.
now Gaza has been invaded to fight a war against the state-lile entity which governs it, a war where the state like entity uses human shields, and you want Jews to die more to reward the use of human shields?
this is truly ****ed up horror morality. you don't negotiate with terrorists , and if they use human shields and the shields die, the terrorists are the only people morally responsible for those deaths and no one else