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Today , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Palestinian society in its current iteration is too uncooperative and violent. Not everyone of course, or even the majority, but enough to make it untenable. No one wants to send peacekeepers to be killed by the people they are trying to help.
bruv, do you have any idea how many peacekeepers Israel has killed in the last few decades? or even since the start of this war?

and no, Palestinians are not going to kill target peacekeepers. they will go after occupation forces.
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Today , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Nobody talking about what Gallant just did? The Israeli government is literally on the brink of collapse from this epic move.

For those who don't follow too close, Gallant is one of the more popular guys in Israel today (maybe less so today than 6 months ago). He was the one that basically nuked the judicial reform. Bibi tried to fire him and then the country got so upset he couldn't. He's basically in a political job but with no political aspirations, just trying to save the country. So his motivations are about as pure as it gets, and in that sense he's a huge liability to Bibi. He's one of the most respected men in the country.

Anyway he just came out and said Bibi's course is doomed. Either Hamas wins or Israel has to occupy Gaza via a lengthy military operation (and Bibi wasn't exactly hiding that it was #2 he was gunning for).

So Gallant just warned the whole country, going around Bibi's back. They're in the same party for context.

So basically all eyes on Benny Gantz now. What is supposed to happen if the world makes any sense, is he steps up and slides right into this position Gallant has explained. The government falls apart. And elections occur before the matter of what to do with Gaza comes up.

I think almost all of us itt are aligned on it not being Bibi who oversees it. No military occupation (at least for any appreciable duration). This should be the start of a move to just right of centre kind of thing. More left than Bibi anyway. If Bibi somehow manages to hold on in all this, I fear for 260 more pages of chaos in here.
I think everyone agrees the correct outcome is Fatah takes over and other international actors (preferably Arab) get involved in the governance and security of Gaza.

The problem for Israel is not a single international actor, except maybe Iran, wants to get involved with governing Gaza.

Israel needs to convince Gazans 1. There is no future in war. 2. There is a future in peace.

1. May require repeated battles and wars with lots of propaganda to turn the Palestinians against the crazies.

2. Requires Israel to stop imitating Hamas. (Step 1: get Bibi and his cronies out. Step 2: start drafting the hard right Haredims that refuse to fight the wars they contribute greatly to perpetuating. )

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Today , 10:43 AM
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Today , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Does "amounts to torture" mean the same thing as "torture"? Odd phrasing.
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Today , 11:56 AM
You could always read the article and decide for yourself.
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Today , 12:45 PM
The non woke world is once again on Israel's side. They have seen the behavior of the protestors and now realize why Israel is doing what it is doing. Palestinians have no one to blame but themselves. You teach others how to treat you. Act like a civilized person and you will be treated like a civilized person.
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Today , 12:56 PM
I get that all powerful people and nations lie. but why is Israel so bad at it?



I thought I remembered they had found her months ago. and I dont get how the body could be in such good condition. it makes no sense.
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Today , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
The non woke world is once again on Israel's side. They have seen the behavior of the protestors and now realize why Israel is doing what it is doing. Palestinians have no one to blame but themselves. You teach others how to treat you. Act like a civilized person and you will be treated like a civilized person.
Perfect example of the kind of empty rhetoric you’d just as likely hear from a Hamas supporter.
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Today , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You could always read the article and decide for yourself.
Yeah it seems like Hamas prisoners are being tortured in Israeli prisons. Not to the degree that Israeli women were tortured on October 7, but tortured nonetheless. Still wrong.
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Today , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
The non woke world is once again on Israel's side. They have seen the behavior of the protestors and now realize why Israel is doing what it is doing. Palestinians have no one to blame but themselves. You teach others how to treat you. Act like a civilized person and you will be treated like a civilized person.
Meaningless guff.
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Today , 01:54 PM
BTW its a GENOCIDE.

researchers from yale university, cornell law school, boston university and pretoria university have concluded that.


https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/...nocide_in_gaza

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Today , 02:00 PM
“Biden Is Making Jews the Face of the War Machine”: First Jewish Biden Appointee Resigns over Gaza"
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Today , 02:01 PM
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Yeah it seems like Hamas prisoners are being tortured in Israeli prisons. Not to the degree that Israeli women were tortured on October 7, but tortured nonetheless. Still wrong.
Barghouti is not Hamas. hes never been Hamas. he was in a separate political party. nor was he free on Oct 7 or anytime in the last 22 years.

this stuff is easy to look up. its not good to just make assumptions.

and ofc they are being mistreated far worse than Israeli women were. they are running literal torture camps. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middl...cmd/index.html the vast majority are not Hamas or even Resistance in anyway.
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Today , 02:16 PM
University officials at my school officially shut down the quad this week after the building was defaced in some places on the bordering buildings. Between graffiti, etchings into windows, and peeing on the building, enough was enough, and right by them. The protest was ay-OK for weeks until these things started to occur around last Wednesday when a large protest occurred. The rumor is that local black bloc'ers unaffiliated with the school infiltrated the encampments and rallied people into vandalism. I can buy this, but I can also buy that students got really drunk and high and have just gone nuts.
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Today , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
The non woke world is once again on Israel's side. They have seen the behavior of the protestors and now realize why Israel is doing what it is doing. Palestinians have no one to blame but themselves. You teach others how to treat you. Act like a civilized person and you will be treated like a civilized person.
Don't become what you hate.
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