An Israel with Hezbollah on its border attacking them for 11 months straight; and moving forward threatening to to attack them anytime they do something Hezbollah doesn't like is not an Israel that can thrive. Hezbollah has shown themselves to be an existential threat to Israel's existence, that cannot be ignored moving forward.

Israel pretty much has to do whatever it takes to take away Hezbollah's ability to intimidate, threaten and attack them. It is going to result in a lot of bad for everyone except for the IRI (especially the people of Lebanon); but Israel literally doesn't have a choice if it wants to be a functional first world country that thrives.

Now if there is a diplomatic solution where Hezbollah agrees to abandon the border of Israel or better yet dissolve; then that is preferable. But if Hezbollah refuses to abandon the border at a minimum, Israel literally has to do what it takes to neutralize the threat. Even if it "doesn't do much good."

I mean, if you are radical Islamists sycophant and want Israel to be destroyed, and dont care how many people are killed and nations destroyed in the process, then carry on. But if that isn't the case, at some point you have to accept the IRI and its proxies are presenting an existential threat to Israel, and at some point will be dealt with as such.

The IRI gives Hamas and Houthis weapons, but has no control over their tactics. Hezbollah is a proper IRI proxy that is kept on pretty short leash. It wasn't an accident the IRI ambassador to Lebanon was injured by the pager attack, as it was his Hezbollah issued pager. That is the level of control IRI has over Hezbollah, and Lebanon itself.

Many incorrect things about this statement.

First off, Persian is an ethnicity, that is the majority in Iran, but Iran is not an ethnostate (nor unlike Palestine does it even aspire to be) and there are many ethnicities.

Second, the IRI is horribly unpopular (for very good reason) among all Iranians, including Persians; which is why I make a point to emphasize Hezbollah is an IRI proxy, not an Iranian one.

We should also amend Hezbollah is a rational actor if you accept they are acting on behalf of the IRI. IF they were acting on behalf of Lebanon, or even Palestinians, their actions would be completely irrational.

This war has destroyed any argument Hezbollah has that its weapons protect the Lebanese, and in fact, they bring calamities upon the Lebanese. I call for an immediate halt to the support front before the disaster worsens, and we call for separating the path, surrendering to the state and its army, implementing international resolutions, facilitating the election of a president, opening a workshop for frankness and reconciliation, and sitting around the table and presenting our concerns to build Lebanon on solid foundations.









To Hezbollah: You were calling for unity of the arenas but they all abandoned you. Will you continue to make sacrifices? Enough, stop the absurd war, war is not destiny but a decision. If you want to give examples, I would mention Iran, which did not accept sacrificing its people for the sake of anyone’s support, and the same goes for Syria, which neutralized itself.








Israel seems to be getting the exact response they wanted from this bombing campaign. The international community, Israeli civilians, and even Lebanon political parties are more or less supporting Israel. Israel has had similar responses twice before, and each time Israel invaded and united all of Lebanon against Israel. A ground invasion would be a big risk for a very questionable reward.

disgusting propaganda in support of mass terroristic bombing. I would not expect anything less.

This is basic politics, and not the least bit surprising. It's also a completely believable and legitimate response to what is an extremely predictable outcome from Hezbollah's actions. It's not propaganda.

(Going to assume you are attacking the Kataeb party for attacking Hezbollah and not me for posting it as an example of reactions from inside Lebanon.)

oh right a member of a far right collaborationist party supports Israel. who cares what this guy says?



why do Western liberals love the far right of every single country is a good question though.

ya it may def be "basic politics" to you that when a genocidal foreign regime does mass murder and mass terrorism then the natural inclination is to collaborate with them and sell out the country. maybe thats basic to you. me, I know for damn sure what I would have been doing in Europe, Vietnam, Algeria, India, South Africa, and Lebanon.

When did I say I loved that party?

Discounting one of Lebanon's most significant religious groups as "far right" because they are right wing shows an extreme bias. If anything this is more propaganda than any other part of this discussion.

Especially when simultaneously supporting Hezbollah who murdered Lebanon's Prime Minister and forced militant activities upon the country, plunging the country into extremism.

The Phlange committed the Sabra-Shatilla massacres after the IDF opened the gates (and listened to 12 hours of shooting and screaming).