Alright, so now we are, as a collective, going to reflect on this new system where timeouts are on the honor system, but if you violate the honor system then you go to real timeout. microbet will rejoin us at midnight, as previously stated.

Lets not make this a point of conversation in the thread please. Thank youuu

Here you go again leaving out half the story. It was very much a 2 way street. There were moderate Jewish Zionists who looked for fellow Arabs to create some sort of secular state where Jews and Arabs could live side by side in peace, but the Arabs of that time wanted none of it.

They were completely captivated with the ethnofascism movements in Europe (especially Naziism), and all they wanted was to kick all the Jews, British and Communists (lots of Venn diagram overlap in the Arab mind between these 3 groups) out of the Middle East to make the region Pan-Arab. And even when fascism was defeated in WWII, instead of embracing liberalism like West Germany and Italy, the Arabs doubled down on their fascistic, antisemitic ideals. And then at the end of the 20th century pivoted to Islamism and here we are.

I think you would be absolutely surprised how accommodating the Israelis would be if the Arabs/Palestinians gave them something to work with. But they have given them nothing, And now the Arabs/Palestinians are getting the blowback from their decades of hate, intolerance, belligerence, and maximalist demands.

That is what happened in Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Ethiopia, Ukraine and 100 other conflicts. This is the first (and hopefully last) conflict where the collective hive mind has decided it is actually a bad idea to remove civilians from active war zones.

Ok. The propaganda seems overstated to me, but I obviously have my own biases.

That being said, it does seem a tricky proposition when you are fighting a war agains the recognized govt of a region, that still has control of large parts of said region, to deliver aid to the people while still fighting the govt.

If Israel is fighting a war against Hamas, are they supposed to let Hamas take the aid shipments and dole them out? It is a very bizarre situation, when you are actively fighting a govt in dense urban warfare (and taking casualties) that also operates as a guerrilla force, that is still widely supported by the people, and can blend into the civilian population easily to move around.