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Outrageous sense of entitlement they have imo, not dissimilar to Europeans who made South Africa their "home" at the expense of the people already there.

By that rationale any ex pat or migrant has an outrageous sense of entitlement. You're being inconsistent. You want to abolish borders which implies anyone can go to live anywhere yet when it's for Jews it's suddenly wrong?
Whaddya mean people already there? There were always Jews in Palestine long before Israel, again with the inconsistency.

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Why shouldn't there be a Jewish homeland considering they fought for it and won it?

Why shouldn't there be a homeland in South Africa for Europeans considering they fought for it?

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And more importantly, homelands are fictional. It's not like iron age Israel was some magic place where Jewish people lived in harmony. We know of various cults like the Essenes who were "Jewish" and kicked out and for forced to flee their homeland as Jews by more powerful Jewish cults because of whatever Iron Age cult nonsense disagreements nobody today really cares about. It's not like 2nd temple period Jews would accept a modern Jewish person because that land is some sort of homeland for any Jewish person. That's a modern fiction, not unique to Judaism but universal to anybody claiming some kind of ancestral homeland.

Homelands aren't fictional, I'm in mine right now as I post this. This is just weird college campus bullshit.

It's irrelevant the claims some make re ancestral homelands, as such claims don't nullify Israel's right to exist just cuz you personally disagree and again there were Jews in Palestine for thousands of years. And even if ancetral claims have no merit, it still doesn't nullify Israel's right to exist. They fought for it and won it, just like many other countries, the end.

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Why shouldn't there be a Jewish homeland considering they fought for it and won it?

Now the libs are endorsing wars of conquest.

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right but you kinda forfeit that when you do a genocide

Sadly for the Palestinians there will never be a Palestinian state. There could have been but they have made too many poor decisions. There clearly will not be a one state solution. There are too many nutty settlers and too many Jews who could never trust living next to a Palestinian. There may be a little ethno cleansing going on but there certainly is no genocide happening.

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I'm not talking about borders. I'm talking about tracts of land where people already live. Whether you call this South Africa or Zimbabwe or some mixture of the two is up to you.

I'm also not talking about denying people the right to live where they want. That is never an issue for me, quite the contrary.

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You said you wanted to abolish borders, so by your own rationale, can't be bitching about people wanting to live in Israel as their home, regardless of where they're originally from. Jews always lived in Palestine so again what do you mean? Palestinians living there had more status than Jewish Palestinians?

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Now the libs are endorsing wars of conquest.

Conquest? It was under British mandate at the time. By your rationale our war of independence was a war of conquest as was yours.

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Abolishing borders now, all at once? No of course not. But it's something that the world needs to move towards, starting with the larger countries with a surplus of free land of course.

Someone moving from Europe to another part of the world is 100% fine. Many people moving with the aim of achieving a majority to impose their own laws and culture on people already there isn't fine, and neither is achieving it through force ldo.

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You're equating a country's right to exist with its system of governance. Uk's a monarchy as is Spain,

In this context it's just idiotic to call UK and Spain monarchies. Like, duh, they have royalty, but they both score higher on democracy indices than the US. Just idiotic or totally dishonest. Not going to look at the rest of your post after that idiocy/dishonesty.

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Are posts being deleted? Speaking of idiocy.

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Yet nobody is going to protest iraq having
Mandotory 15 year sentence for being gay,or jordan beimg a monarchy, or Egypt being a monarchy, or Syria being a dictatorship

We are only going to decide that after 80 years the only jewish state in the world should not be allowed to exist. But we aren't antisemitic or anything, we should just be held to a higher standard and we should ask irrelevant questions about God given even though nobody is making that argument because lol jews Emden if we are Jews

You're a peach

You complain about being asked to be held to a higher standard than The Houthi, Hamas, or Saudi Arabia. You think Israel should be held to the standard of just being better than North Korea?

I've explained why Arab countries aren't protested by students/etc the West (though they are invaded by the West - would you like the USA to treat Israel like it treats Iraq or Syria?) and no one has countered my explanation. Neither rafiki nor Bill Haywood's reasons explain things.

Tell me your consistent explanation for why:

South Africa was protested
Saudia Arabia isn't
Israel is

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Why shouldn't there be a homeland in South Africa for Europeans considering they fought for it?

There is. It's called South Africa and plenty of Euro descended Sith Ifrikans consider Sith Ifrika their home and indeed live there. They simply don;'t rule it as an apartheid state any more but it's still their bloody home, considering they were born, raised and live. Like micro, you're conflating a country with its ruling system.