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The U.S. government’s two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance concluded this spring that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of food and medicine into Gaza.

Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them.

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Prior to his report, USAID had sent Blinken a detailed 17-page memo on Israel’s conduct. The memo described instances of Israeli interference with aid efforts, including killing aid workers, razing agricultural structures, bombing ambulances and hospitals, sitting on supply depots and routinely turning away trucks full of food and medicine.

But it's not genocide.

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Originally Posted by Dunyain

I would have to look for the tweet. But the basic premise as I remember it is is that the land connecting Syrian and Lebanese territory that Hezbollah controls is very mountainous with only 7 passes, and this is how they get all their IRI supplied weapons. And Israel could destroy 6 passes and control the other one, and basically create a chokepoint to cut Hezbollah off.

But I admit I dont know the geopolitical ramifications of such a move, given Iran, Syria and Russia are allied with Hezbollah in Syria, and this could cross some red line for them where they get involved.

Makes sense, thanks.

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I'm not convinced Israel wants Hizbollah, basically a real state actor now, to be so weakened as to initiate a civil war between Lebanese army and Hizbollah.

They had the chance to do so before and elected not to. I think the stated goal of restoring deterrence is real.

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and ofc its not a surprise that respected accounts that Dun follows are now advocating war on Syria

but its not like weapons are flowing through these openings. they have their own secret routes for that. bombing the crossing and occupying the mountains wont stop the flow of weapons. it will just kill more civilians and cause more suffering. which is ofc the point.

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Originally Posted by grizy

I dont think Israel has any ambitions wrt Lebanon. But what is completely unacceptable (and should be) is Lebanon/Hezbollah using threat of force, and in this case following through on that threat, to influence Israeli internal politics and foreign policy.

In this case Hezbollah/IRI decided to use military attacks and threats of further escalation to influence Israeli's reaction to 10/7; which is not acceptable. And if Hezbollah/IRI insist on going this route; they have to accept that Israel should and will respond to neutralize them.

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Originally Posted by Dunyain

I dont think Israel has any ambitions wrt Lebanon. But what is completely unacceptable (and should be) is Lebanon/Hezbollah using threat of force, and in this case following through on that threat, to influence Israeli internal politics and foreign policy.

In this case Hezbollah/IRI decided to use military attacks and threats of further escalation to influence Israeli's reaction to 10/7; which is not acceptable. And if Hezbollah/IRI insist on going this route; they have to accept that Israel should and will respond to neutralize them.

On what basis do you find this not acceptable? This is a serious question and not a wind up. How is this any different than the U.S. moving more military assets to the area as deterrence against Israel’s foes?

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them.

But it's not genocide.

It’s a genocide where the accused genocider tracks aid for accountability and the accusation of a starvation campaign has been looked into and the conclusion has been by the UN that there is no starvation campaign.

https://gaza-aid-data.gov.il/main/#Highlights

People want to take salacious stories and turn them into the entire war effort.

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^^^ These were US government reports. Your link does not deny them.

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Is this pic accurate?

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

^^^ These were US government reports. Your link does not deny them.

My link shows you the amount of aid that has gone through Gaza by month. Furthermore, do you realize that the report being heavily relied upon by the article was from April, which was before the UN findings in June that assessed no systemic starvation campaign and could not attribute the requisite factors for assessing even a famine?

We get it, people need aid. And that’s what Israel is providing.

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them.

But it's not genocide.

Did you even read the article you linked?

It is sort of long so no shame if you didn’t.

Seems a bit dishonest to link an article that mentions genocide 0 times, and then proclaim that the article supports your notion that Israel is committing genocide.

It was nice of them to include a single sentence acknowledging that Hamas has, “played a role in the humanitarian crisis.” Obviously only Israel is to blame though.

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

where is this UN report?

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Originally Posted by Victor

where is this UN report?

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Following the publication of the second FRC report on 18 March 2024, which projected that a Famine would occur in the most likely scenario, a number of important developments occurred. In contrast with the assumptions made for the projection period (March – July 2024), the amount of food and non-food commodities allowed into the northern governorates increased. Additionally, the response in the nutrition, water sanitation and hygiene (WASH) and health sectors was scaled up. In this context, the available evidence does not indicate that Famine is currently occurring.

However, the situation in Gaza remains catastrophic and there is a high and sustained risk of Famine across the whole Gaza Strip. It is important to note that the probable improvement in nutrition status noted in April and May should not allow room for complacency about the risk of Famine in the coming weeks and months. The prolonged nature of the crisis means that this risk remains at least as high as at any time during the past few months.

The FRC encourages all stakeholders who use the IPC for high-level decision-making to understand that whether a Famine classification is confirmed or not does not in any manner change the fact that extreme human suffering is without a doubt currently ongoing in the Gaza Strip, and does not change the immediate humanitarian imperative to address this civilian suffering by enabling complete, safe, unhindered, and sustained humanitarian access into and throughout the Gaza Strip, including through ceasing hostilities. All actors should not wait until a Famine classification is made to act accordingly.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/...eport-25jun24/

And you know that the UN hates Israel so they have to couch it in “oh there’s a risk of a famine”. No famine found and obviously no systemic starvation campaign, as was alleged since pretty much the first month of the war.