Disgusting nation.

Literally every group fighting Israel explicitly says they are fighting for religious motives. Who are these imaginary secular groups fighting Israel right now? I can give you a large list of groups that are explicitly religious.

At some point when someone tells you who they are, you have to accept they are telling the truth.

And even if you believe it doesn't make a difference what the motivations are; the simple fact is Palestinians (and their hundreds of millions of supporters in the Ummah) dont have any rationale demands to meet to bring closure to this conflict.

Their demands are completely maximal and unreasonable, have been since day 0, and the liberal world ignoring this and focusing all attention on Israel for 80 years (and constraining Israel's ability to act) is what has got us to this point.

Just because what they believe to be in their material interest is different that what you believe theirs should be doesn't mean they're irrational. There's are plenty of situations where people don't act in their 'material interests' in every avenue of life. Don't mean they're not rational.

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it actually does, lot of crazies around us man.

I don't know how to make sense of what you're trying to say. It seems like we've dropped "religious motivations" and moved to "Palestinian side"'s religious motivations being the problem. But they're not the problem, it's the non-material demands and the fact that they're irrational.

This also simplifies a complex situation so much that what you're saying is just wrong. There are significant political, social, and territorial dimensions to the conflict.






We've lost the thread a bit. It's not whether or not you can classify the organization as "religious", it's whether or not they are fighting for religious motives. There is not a single group fighting purely for religious motives, even if they claim to be.



You could say the same about Russia, I still work within that framework when trying to figure out how to get a favorable peace deal for Ukraine. It's very far off, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

The "liberal world" has not ignored this, or put all attention on Israel for 80 years.

So what I'm gathering from this is that part of Palestinian motivation being religious changes absolutely nothing about the current conflict, or how it should be approached. It is purely a (false) attempt at placing all blame on Palestine for the conflict.

Israel motivations are blatantly non religious.

they want security and safety and some of them, control on more land. very pragmatic needs.

they don't want a genocide of all Arabs in the region or the removal of all Arabs 500km from Jerusalem or any other such nonsense. they have 20% of Arab citizens!!!

they just want to guarantee nothing like 10 7 can ever happen again at any cost.

the situation isn't complex.

non western countries should always do our bidding every time with their head down and being thankful we let them exist in the first place.

if you aren't our explicit ally you only live and exist because of our infinite mercy.

and we should be very clear we mean it. Israel is our ally, it gets what he wants, anything that gets in the middle gets annihilated by our immense power. only full obedience to our orders will be tolerated.

we get to decide what happens and what we decide is moral definitionally.

not complicated at all.

And I would view what the liberal world has been doing the last 80 years as a false attempt (no parenthesis needed) at placing all the blame on Israel, and attribution zero agency or responsibility to the Palestinians. And I am saying as long as this is how things are approached, there is no hope for any peace or resolution.

Both sides are just going to continue to radicalize, and Israel is going to be less and less discerning with its bombs.

Why did Israel choose this location to search for those pragmatic needs?





What is going to radicalize someone more: religion or having a bomb kill their family?

outside of movies, religion obviously.

in real life, if you miraculously survive a bombing that kills your family you ****ing leave the place lol

This is an actual situation that is happening now. We're not seeing everyone leave, a lot of them want revenge which I think is pretty natural and predictable.

a lot of them left, a lot of them would leave right now or will soon when/if allowed.

we should encourage that. no more aid if you stay, a lot of aid if you move.

we can do it, we pay, we decide. not doing it is a choice, a choice to prolong the suffering of Israeli.

anybody showing signs he wants to actually revenge violently gets killed.

I think a significant amount of the "we" which will be paying will be classified as "religious organizations", if staying consistent with the terminology of the last few pages. I guess we will have to give them the choice of either avenge their murdered family or leave as well.



Is this a safe way to sum up the argument: because this war is religiously motivated, one side should kill or disperse the other side.

I was actually thinking about western contributions to UNRWA.

the argument is given the war is religiously motivated on the Hamas side (Iran, the main financing entity of Hamas, is a self defined theocracy!) , Israel shouldn't be pushed to try to find a compromise and it is ab utmost moral imperative to help Israel to complete annihilate the irrational enemy.

which means Hamas, all other minor terrorist groups in Gaza and the WB, and Hezbollah, and any possible other groups that will ever get financed by Iran on the borders of Israel

accepting Iranian money should become a guaranteed death sentence basically

Thanks for the key clarification in bold.