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Originally Posted by Victor
I didn't think we would see apologia for the Vietnam war but here we are
Apologia for the Vietnam war? All I said was that the North Vietnamese used disgusting tactics but that doesn't seem to stop leftists from saying that their "struggle" was morally correct. I'm pointing out that your standards for Israel are a fantasy that no side ever actually believes in. There will be civilian deaths and killing of combatants, and it's not murder.
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Originally Posted by 72off
vietnam has a right to defend itself
This is exactly my point though. If you compare Israel tactics to other governments you probably would support throughout history, Israel comes out as one of the most saintly and merciful countries ever.
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Of course. That's the government we are responsible for.
My friend, you realize that when we are talking about geopolitics, it is oftentimes a zero sum game, right? If the US were to say tomorrow "we're never going to fight a war again, we're never going to support anyone else's war, we're going to sit here by ourselves and I don't care what happens" that would open the doors for any number of other actors to step in and start doing things that are way worse. But I guess you're one of those people that thinks even the US was wrong to enter WW2 and fight the Nazis.
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Originally Posted by Luciom
it wasn't Vietnam under attack it was the north with us helping the south.
you guys forgot the dynamics of the war, as if we invaded Vietnam.
we sided with a party in a civil war, one party was Marxist and that automatically removes all legitimacy definitionally.
Marxists have no right to exist
This is beyond the scope of what I'm even talking about. All I'm trying to do is get them to realize that their supposed moral high ground has never existed, and that the US and Israel are the moral high ground in the grand scheme of things. Killing civilians, killing combatants, even if it's a horrible thing that no one wants, it is not murder and in the context of war we can't just evaluate whether a war was just based on some isolated actions in a vacuum, as if any war ever is ever evaluated that way by anyone.