Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Inflation 101 Inflation 101

07-21-2024 , 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Not sure why but that can be easily researched. I imagine it is because we were recovering from a recession for so long so companies didn’t raise prices because they feared it would lower demand

Once the Quantative easing is in full affect, companies know that demand has become mostly inelastic to price changes, so companies increased their prices and increased their profits

QE and stimmy has now stopped so demand to price elasticity has returned, prices are too high so demand goes down so companies must lower prices in response which is why you see fast food places offering deals now


What I wanted to correct you on is that low interest rates do not cause inflation

Companies charging more causes inflation.

Companies charge more as a result of it being more profitable to do so.

If the fed pumps money into the economy then companies know that price increases won’t affect demand that much so they raise the prices of their products

You can say that QE/ stimmy leads to inflation as a result of companies increasing their prices but it is not a direct connection
You want to correct me on low interest rates not causing inflation? I was the one who said low interest by themselves don’t create inflation.

“If the fed pumps money into the economy then companies know that price increases won’t affect demand that much so they raise the prices of their products”

It sounds like you are agreeing with me that one of the main root causes of why we saw inflation was because the govt gave way too many handouts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Thank you for the compliment. I agree that when teaching people it is important to start with the basics.
He wasn’t critical just because you were oversimplifying something, but I’ll let him explain.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
@bahbah

You need to understand what elasticity of demand is. It’s a thing that changes and companies use that to determine their prices


Do you know what elasticity of demand is? Can you explain it using your own words?


lol. It is tye measure of how much demand for a particular product changes based off of a change in the price.

For example if you are selling flotation devices in the middle of the ocean right after a cruise ship sinks demand would stay strong no matter the price. However, if you were selling watches to the same crowd demand would go down much more if you raised the price.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 10:37 AM
I don’t think demand for watches is affected by price when asking people who are in the middle of the ocean right after their cruise ship sunk


I think demand would be zero and the price is almost irrelevant. Maybe if you sold them for a penny demand would increase but I think most people would try to kill you for selling stuff during a deadly accident
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 10:39 AM
I learned in school that cigarettes are price inelastic since the demand doesn't change much with price movement. In fact the demand curve looks like a vertical line if price is on the y-axis and quantity demanded is the x.

Do I get to be mod now?
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 10:49 AM
If we agree MAGA admin caused inflation by giving out so much money, why do we want them back? So we can steal more and kick the can down the road further?
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L0LWAT
If we agree MAGA admin caused inflation by giving out so much money, why do we want them back? So we can steal more and kick the can down the road further?
They were forced to do it because... well, reasons. Trump would have stopped if he could. But, alas, he was powerless.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuma
I learned in school that cigarettes are price inelastic since the demand doesn't change much with price movement. In fact the demand curve looks like a vertical line if price is on the y-axis and quantity demanded is the x.

Do I get to be mod now?
You have my vote. A mod for the people by the people of the people, Eagle!
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Want to bet?

Hint: a currency cannot go down lmao.


First of all, a currency can only change value relative to another currency.

You cannot say a dollar is worth less. Worth less what? Worth less coffees? Worth less Euro? Worth less Yen?


When demand for a currency goes down relative to other currencies, then the value of that currency, expressed relative to other currencies, goes down.


When demand for a currency goes up relative to other currencies, then the value of that currency, expressed relative to other currencies, goes up.


To international customers this can make a large difference . To domestic customers it only matters if the seller changes their prices.


If you haven’t been well educated with regard to forex then I wouldn’t expect you to understand this before I explained it. It is a common misconception that your currency can change value on its own. It can’t. It’s a relative term. You need something else in the equation.
The value of an apple do not change , it’s the value of the currency that is moving .
Price of apple can move up in one country and move down in another in the same day .
It’s the same damn apple .

Yes obviously 1$ as no value by itself if u don’t compare it to anything …..
It’s a piece of paper .

Btw a currency loses value by creating more currencies even by not being compared to other currencies .
Ban tomorrow all forex exchanges and print 1 trillions dollar inside your country , guess what , prices will go up , meaning the value of your currency will go down .
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Didace
They were forced to do it because... well, reasons. Trump would have stopped if he could. But, alas, he was powerless.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/01/...americans.html

Quote:
President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he supports another round of direct payments to Americans – and claims he wants to give out more money than Democrats have already proposed.
"I do, I support it, but it has to be done properly," Trump said when asked during a Fox Business Network interview at the White House whether he was in favor of sending another round of stimulus checks.
"I support actually larger numbers than the Democrats," Trump added.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Are you trying to blame inflation on trump or repubs? It seems like you are, but I think it is fairly common knowledge that inflation is too much money chasing too few goods and trump and repubs fought against most of the free money that still sloshes around the economy that dems worked hard to throw around after Covid and trump and repubs fought dems on trying to shut the economy down as little as possible.

Freedom of religion is bad? Or what are you saying?

The 3 expenses that have consistently gone up in price and outpaced inflation are also the 3 things that the govt is most involved with and have done the most to keep prices down - education, health care and home prices. Many Repubs are fighting for school choice which gives parents essentially a voucher to choose which school to send their kids to. So public schools will have to work like private schools have for so long to compete with other schools to attract students and their parents. This will force public schools to either catch up to private schools or shut down and be replaced by more private schools.
Well, at least there is a funny conversation trying to argue what inflation means.

Inflation is pretty complicated and wouldn't be accurately represented with a single sentence. There are different kinds of inflation for different reasons, but the main driver of inflation is monetary policy. Most forms of inflation that are driven by external sources are limited to a single or few industries and would vary from year to year. The macro inflation that everyone is scared of is the measurable erosion of your buying power, at an aggregate scale, over time. "My dollar gets me .75 of relative life today that it did 4 years ago". That means its across rent, food, gas, general maintenance, healthcare, entertainment, etc. Sectors that drive livable life.

As for the free money, thats why Trump made sure his signature was stamped on every check that went out and oversaw the single largest fraud in the countries history through PPP while interest rates where near zero and money supply expansion was at historic highs, and, and, and....

Forcing religion into education, healthcare, and government isn't freedom of religion. Thats actually quite the opposite!
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Want to bet?

Hint: a currency cannot go down lmao.


First of all, a currency can only change value relative to another currency.

You cannot say a dollar is worth less. Worth less what? Worth less coffees? Worth less Euro? Worth less Yen?


When demand for a currency goes down relative to other currencies, then the value of that currency, expressed relative to other currencies, goes down.


When demand for a currency goes up relative to other currencies, then the value of that currency, expressed relative to other currencies, goes up.


To international customers this can make a large difference . To domestic customers it only matters if the seller changes their prices.


If you haven’t been well educated with regard to forex then I wouldn’t expect you to understand this before I explained it. It is a common misconception that your currency can change value on its own. It can’t. It’s a relative term. You need something else in the equation.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coordi
Well, at least there is a funny conversation trying to argue what inflation means.

Inflation is pretty complicated and wouldn't be accurately represented with a single sentence. There are different kinds of inflation for different reasons, but the main driver of inflation is monetary policy. Most forms of inflation that are driven by external sources are limited to a single or few industries and would vary from year to year. The macro inflation that everyone is scared of is the measurable erosion of your buying power, at an aggregate scale, over time. "My dollar gets me .75 of relative life today that it did 4 years ago". That means its across rent, food, gas, general maintenance, healthcare, entertainment, etc. Sectors that drive livable life.

As for the free money, thats why Trump made sure his signature was stamped on every check that went out and oversaw the single largest fraud in the countries history through PPP while interest rates where near zero and money supply expansion was at historic highs, and, and, and....

Forcing religion into education, healthcare, and government isn't freedom of religion. Thats actually quite the opposite!
I like this post .
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Montreal - I assumed the "/sarcasm" was implied.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-21-2024 , 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Didace
Montreal - I assumed the "/sarcasm" was implied.
I know
But it was sincerely about others who might of miss it and believe baham narrative and so thinking you wernt sarcastic .

I’ll be more precise next time instead of just showing an article
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 12:24 AM
I’m sure many are deluding themselves into thinking that this near-death experience is going to have the same effect on Trump that the ghosts had on EbenezerScrooge. I can’t blame them, as they’re projecting their own values into the situation. “Whoa. I almost died. I need to reevaluate things and prioritize what’s truly important.” That’s what a normal person would think. But Trump ain’t normal. He’s a severely damaged human being; an absolute monster. He’s only going to become more loathsome. Stay tuned.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 12:54 AM
Uh oh, TDS alert.

Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 01:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian James
Uh oh, TDS alert.

TDS is the condition in which one deludes themselves into thinking that a spoiled brat who grew up with a silver spoon up his ass views the drooling boobs who vote for him as anything other than stupid, dipshit marks from whom to grift. Lotsa folks have it. But then again, the world needs ditch diggers, too!

Last edited by MrDavitWilliam; 07-22-2024 at 01:10 AM.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 06:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
The rent is too damn high.

I just felt like that was worth stating. What will Trump do for the rentors!?
All you have to do is follow his lead and don't bother to pay your bills.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 06:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Want to bet?

Hint: a currency cannot go down lmao.


First of all, a currency can only change value relative to another currency.

You cannot say a dollar is worth less. Worth less what? Worth less coffees? Worth less Euro? Worth less Yen?


When demand for a currency goes down relative to other currencies, then the value of that currency, expressed relative to other currencies, goes down.


When demand for a currency goes up relative to other currencies, then the value of that currency, expressed relative to other currencies, goes up.


To international customers this can make a large difference . To domestic customers it only matters if the seller changes their prices.


If you haven’t been well educated with regard to forex then I wouldn’t expect you to understand this before I explained it. It is a common misconception that your currency can change value on its own. It can’t. It’s a relative term. You need something else in the equation.
True. The "something else" is goods and services. Sometimes of a market basket of commonly purchased items, as in the CPI.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillrob
True. The "something else" is goods and services. Sometimes of a market basket of commonly purchased items, as in the CPI.
In forex the something else is another currency but you can use CPI relative to a currency to check inflation

But I just reiterate inflation is only caused by prices changes. There are drives behind inflation but drivers are not the same as things that cause prices to changes. The only thing that can change the price is the seller of the goods minus govt intervention
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords

But I just reiterate inflation is only caused by printing
fyp
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by housenuts
fyp
That’s not true.


Are you arguing that everytime we print money it causes inflation? Or that only printing money can cause inflation?
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 09:50 AM
Here’s a better example for you


Let’s say there is $15 trillion dollars in the money supply in our economy


Hotdogs cost $1 a piece


The fed enacts quantitative easing policies and pumps $5T into the economy


How much inflation does the hotdog price experience?
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Here’s a better example for you


Let’s say there is $15 trillion dollars in the money supply in our economy


Hotdogs cost $1 a piece


The fed enacts quantitative easing policies and pumps $5T into the economy


How much inflation does the hotdog price experience?
Still $1.50. Costco doesn't change their price.
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 10:33 AM
So you agree that Costco changing the price is the inflation, not the 33% increase in money supply
Inflation 101 Quote
07-22-2024 , 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlessWords
So you agree that Costco changing the price is the inflation, not the 33% increase in money supply
this is semantics.

increasing the money supply causes prices to go up.

if your argument is that there is no inflation until prices go up, sure.
Inflation 101 Quote

      
m