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Originally Posted by John21
I said “hundreds or thousands” not “hundreds of thousands.”
Derp. my bad. It's past my bedtime.
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Originally Posted by John21
But with 10M illegal immigrants in the country and even with a real low murder rate of 2 per 100K, we’re still talking about a couple hundred murders per year, which adds up to thousands of Americans murdered by illegal immigrants. So yeah, it’s a really big number. Certainly big enough that people of all political stripes ought to express at least some moral outrage over that issue especially since it's intrinsically tied to this issue.
I'm still concerned that you're just making up numbers here, but I also don't really follow the logic in relation to this thread, regardless of the numbers. Even in the hypothetical where there were some crime problem related to immigration, that does not justify detaining immigrants and asylum seekers in inhumane conditions, and it doesn't invalidate my concern about it either.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no reason to believe that either illegal immigrants or asylum seekers commit crimes at rates any greater than the native population, so in the larger context of immigration I don't see a reason for policy to be driven by concern about crime, but I also think the rest of my prior response addresses something relevant to your comment, at least insofar as explaining why I think the detainment issue is particularly outrageous.
Talking about illegal immigrants committing murders in this context seems inflammatory to me without actually having any more of a point than asking about why I'm not also worried about native-born arsonists, to pick a random example. It's not really relevant to the topic of the thread and it's not as if being concerned about the conditions in detainment facilities precludes being concerned about other social problems as well.