Undeterred Misdemeanant youth consolidation areas?

I wouldn't claim either of those positions for myself.

For the record I'm claiming that you should be worked up over the foster system and homeless people. Probably more so. Much more so.

Yeah man I think we should take your dad's money and buy homeless people houses idk why you think you're gonna stump leftists with this ****.

Also, p.s., no you don't? Obviously you don't. You've never posted about the ****ing foster care system until you started getting a little manic when the libtards were getting high and mighty about opposing concentration camps. You're mad at us for being mad about what is objectively a human rights abuse committed by our own government!

Shoulda used "we" here, champ, and Jesus Christ you're so blinkered into hard right rhetoric you think we give a **** about whether or not they are citizens?

Using rhetoric like "concentration camp" limits the broad spread message that's being told, and imo is the biggest issue with the democrats when it comes to election time.


Let's say that the way the immigrants are being treated is the worst atrocity in the history of the country. Is it more useful to call them "concentration camps" (an intentionally dividing word) or to actually get videos/pictures of what is going on to be circulated? One lets actions speak, the other gets half the country to turn away and say "lol liberal exaggerators"

You know what I'm tired of all this gosh-darned political correctness where we can't call something what it is because SOME people's tender feelings might get hurt

I'm talking GTO and nothing else with my post. calling something a concentration camp (especially something that isn't) isn't going to win elections

Good lord you are a broken record

I'm just pointing out that you have no clue what to be outraged about until someone tells you how Nazi it is, or tells you a stirring story about rubber farmers having their hands chopped off, real visceral stuff that gets the blood going.

edit: the citizen stuff was just framing how we treat our actual citizens.

Is there a point to any of this, or are you just gonna have a long sad because fly doesn't like you? It'd be nice to get back to talking about politics instead of this weird approval-seeking behavior.

Calling them fun-time party pits isn't going to win elections either.

Like, we get that you don't enjoy it when we call them "concentration camps," that was sort of the whole point.

Post #19 ITT:

1. Passionate people is how things get done in politics.
2. Conservatives oppose improving homelessness, the foster care system, and the conditions of asylum seekers. Why are liberals being most vocal about one of these the target of your opprobrium?
3. Which reports are exaggerated, or is that something you just wish to be true?

Por que no los dos?

People are observable concentrated in camps and some other people say it’s rhetoric to call those places concentration camps. That’s called denial. They know they are concentration camps, but want to avoid having responsibility for them. The easiest and most feckless denialism available.

This is the pot calling the kettle black

Yeah man, no rhetoric at all. Trump concentration camps, and Nazi concentration camps. Totally comparable.

coordi, I don't need anyone to tell me to get mad about this ****. Everyone should be mad! It's horrific!

But if you wanted to play above it all cool guy who doesn't get mad, you had a manic fit over people calling Charles ****ing Murray racist. That made you so mad you lost the ability to read or write coherently you were so irate at how Trolly and I were doing gaslighting and dogwhistling to hurt your feelings.

You get incredibly emotional over ****ing nothing and have the gall to accuse us of being insincere and/or sheep for this ****?

Who are these people who would, but for people calling the child separation prisons “concentration camps” would be ready to pull the lever for Bernie or Biden or whoever? Like, the Lapidator and JV and Kelhuses of the world aren’t ever voting for a democrat, regardless of how much Schindler’s List-esque footage from the Trump administration you play them.

Do you disagree that doing one of these things will probably turn away a portion of the electorate but the other doesn't?

Can we move on here? You call them party pits or whatever and I'll call them concentration camps and we can both move on and revel in the wonders of free expression.

Let me tell you how this goes. I post something, you and fly respond to me, I then respond to you guys. I'm not seeking out either of your posts. I realize neither of you like me, and that is fair. I say some brash and outright inflammatory stuff, and sometimes I might be poking or prodding (as in, maybe not fully good faith).

I personally feel like this story is deeply in line with identity politics and pitting one side against the other. I actually feel like its a really ****ty situation, but I guess people weren't mad enough about it because now we are making sure to associate the story with Nazi imagery. Maybe we are on that path and that is where my ignorance lies.

But, where does the fault lie? Is Trump going to these centers and telling them explicitly to treat people like this? Is it Republicans as a whole? Where is the systematic breakdown here. I guess I don't see a clear line of blame, so when news (that we've established elsewhere that I don't trust) wants to force the Nazi concentration camp pill down my throat, its a bit tough to swallow.

We could call them tax shelters, might trick a few Republicans. “Bernie wants to double the number of tax shelters within the first month of his presidency!”

It's fine to step back as you are from the substance of the actual issue being discussed - the conditions in the detainment camps are inhumane and should be changed - and speculate about the rhetorical purpose of the language being used about the issue. And no doubt you are correct - when people refer to it as a concentration camp, they are using language that they know will provoke a strong emotional response, both positively and negatively.

However, what's good for the goose...look, your comments are not rhetorically innocent either. It is a standard demotivating move to pivot away from a relatively smaller, but fixable problem to claim we should instead focus on a much bigger and less tractable problem (like fixing foster care) - which then causes people to just give up because it's too hard and not do anything. Doesn't that seem like a worse purpose towards which to aim your rhetoric?

It's hard to take your complaints seriously when you and a few others throw 'nazi' abut so much - what do you expect when you then start talkign about concentration camps?. It ain't about you so sorry if you get tired about it. I get tired of politics wasting so much effort on name calling instead of focusing on the issues but we will cope wont we?

I agree on closing them. If not then humane conditions is an absolute minimum for all prisons/detention centres/etc

I expect Trump voters to be upset by the notion that we shouldn't lock brown children in inhumane concentration camps regardless of what they are called. The outrage over "concentration camp" rhetoric is just trolling. Virtually anyone arguing it is just making up whatever **** is convenient to deflect from the fact that we are keeping and killing kids in horrific conditions.

Leaders are responsible for their underlings. Why the **** is that some farfetched concept when it comes to torturing kids? Like, even if Trump didn't personally order the torture of each and every kid at each and every torturous instance, he has it in his authority to fire every last mother****er who was remotely complicit or complacent in it. It's his ****ing catch phrase! He has not.

Would you like to wager on how many people he fires for torturing kids? Firing people for not being tough enough doesn't count, obv. I'll spot you, say, 10 for each prosecution brought by the Trump DOJ for the abuse of these kids on top of the people actually fired.

Would you like to wager on when Mitch McConnell brings to a vote a bill to defund ICE in its entirety to ensure that every single one of the mother****ers responsible for this is out of a job? Or even just to mandate that funding is conditional on the presence of soap and toothbrushes and hot meals and adequate beds and lights out time?