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06-16-2020 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
The last couple times I drove cross country Ohio was completely off the hook. It seemed like they have as many cops out on the highways as all the other states combined. Like if I saw say 20 for the entire ride at least 10 were in OH.
I drove thru TN once and there were cops like every 5 miles. Never seen such a thing. It was weird. Traffic was pretty steady and no one was going over the speed limit so they really didnt have anything to do.

But cops in OH are awful. The suburb cops are there to steal as much wealth as possible. DUI is the big money maker. Oh you havent been driniking, take a piss test and if you took any drugs in the last week good game.

And of course, the Cleveland cops are one of the most corrupt and violent police forces in the country. Tamir Rice is one of the worse ever ofc but there was another incident where a car backfired and the cops said it was gunshot so the whole damn police force chased the car down and put like 150 bullets into it including a guy standing on the roof and emptying his clip into the car. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...lissa_Williams
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06-16-2020 , 10:36 AM
I liked that Christopher Dorner case where the suspect was in a pickup truck and different police departments ended up shooting 3 different pickup trucks of just normal civilians sitting at stop lights.
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06-16-2020 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Oh for Pete's sake. Then I bet you're the biggest criminal here.
Drunk driving in most states is a misdemeanor or traffic offense.
The guy wasn't driving when the police confronted him.
Anybody with half a brain knows that it's up to the officers discretion how he handles individual situations.
At first appearance, running from the cops seems like the stupidest thing. I mean, they know who you are, they're going to find you. But if you're black and hear about all these police killings, maybe you're terrified for your life?
So sure, let's kill every drunk driver. Is that the country you want to live in?
Drunk drivers absolutely should be arrested. To say these cops would have let him go if he was white is total bullshit.


I agree they shouldn't have shot him.

The bolded comment makes no sense at all. At first appearance this is stupid? No- it was incredibly stupid period. His chances of being killed went from 0 to a lot more than 0 when he decided to steal their taser,run away and fire the taser at the cops.

Nobody is saying we should kill every drunk driver. Arrest every drunk driver? Absolutely!

Way to spin a false narrative though.
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06-16-2020 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Drunk drivers absolutely should be arrested. To say these cops would have let him go if he was white is total bullshit.





I agree they shouldn't have shot him.



The bolded comment makes no sense at all. At first appearance this is stupid? No- it was incredibly stupid period. His chances of being killed went from 0 to a lot more than 0 when he decided to steal their taser,run away and fire the taser at the cops.



Nobody is saying we should kill every drunk driver. Arrest every drunk driver? Absolutely!



Way to spin a false narrative though.
How does the saying go? Angry black man? Well, it's seems we have a whole lot of angry White men lately.
I'm not trying to spin any narrative. We're both , both right and wrong. Usually the first DUI does not leed to a mandatory arrest. Unless the person stopped has any prior record or was so reckless. And yes, if your record shows previous DUI stops, then you will be arrested. Maybe it works different than n your State.
Sounds like life imprisonment would be your preference.
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06-16-2020 , 02:34 PM
Forgive me guys, I can only try to make a point from study. I have no first hand knowledge. I've never been pulled over for a DUI.
Honest truth.
I feel like such a square now.
Happy!
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06-16-2020 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
We agree on the main point. I think Bernie's true view on immigration is something like give everybody already here a path to citizenship, then start restricting new arrivals to protect US workers. It's not Stephen Miller, but I think It's fairly right compared to even many moderate dems who want to increase the number of immigrants we allow.
What i hear Bernie saying is to give citizenship to everyone already here and restrict illegal immigration, while continuing to promote legal immigration. I see this as a centrist issue. I mean what country is totally open to anyone coming and going? Either way, i don't have a problem with it even though i personally would like to see way more immigration.
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06-16-2020 , 03:03 PM
Breaking News:
Armed 'militia' members arrested after shooting in Albuquerque.

Let's hope ivr and borg don't get into too much trouble.
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06-16-2020 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
How does the saying go? Angry black man? Well, it's seems we have a whole lot of angry White men lately.
I'm not trying to spin any narrative. We're both , both right and wrong. Usually the first DUI does not leed to a mandatory arrest. Unless the person stopped has any prior record or was so reckless. And yes, if your record shows previous DUI stops, then you will be arrested. Maybe it works different than n your State.
Sounds like life imprisonment would be your preference.
again you're putting words in my mouth to make a poor argument.
I'm not an angry white man.
I sure as **** didn't say life in prison. Don't put words in my mouth just because you can't defend your viewpoint. Don't assume cops who were super polite to this guy and have a track record of making a lot of DUI arrests would have let him go if he was white.

You realize there is a lot of room between being arrested and life in prison right?

The last time I got pulled over my keys were in my pocket because my car has push button start. The cops asked for license and registration. My registration was in my locked glove box. I told the cops I'm reaching into my pocket to get my keys so I can unlock the glove box and give him the registration. Would have I been shot if I didn't say this? Probably not but it was still smart to tell him what I was doing. You say it at first appeared stupid for this idiot to run away from the cops, steal their taser and shoot it at them. It didn't appear stupid- it absolutely was stupid. And you can't even admit that. Should they have shot him? No. But it absolutely was stupid and drastically increased the chance of something like this happening. Of course when I pointed this out you call me an angry white man rather than actually trying to defend your statement.

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06-16-2020 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Breaking News:
Armed 'militia' members arrested after shooting in Albuquerque.

Let's hope ivr and borg don't get into too much trouble.

what are you even talking about?
you're incapable of even defending your arguments and even worse you keep putting words in my mouth.

I never said anything remotely similar to what ivr said.

I don't even own a gun. I've only shot one once in my life at a gun range and didn't like it. But keep making your stupid assumptions.
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06-16-2020 , 03:56 PM
I actually think ivr, deep down, is not a bad person. I think he was just raised a certain way. A warped certain way, but hey, he's just a victim of his upbringing.
Sorry, the whole miliita thing was a joke. In bad taste I guess.
If we agree that it was stupid for Mr Brooks to run away, and we agree that he shouldn't have been shot, than why are we arguing?

Edit: I'm starting to come around about ivr, don't get me wrong ivr, I still don't like you, about him not being, deep down, a bad person, because I think he really believes all the things he says to be true and logical. Crazy as that sounds lol

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06-16-2020 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
They responded to a call.

He was drunk behind a wheel. The arresting officer was given an award from Mothers Against Drunk Driving for making 51 drunk driving arrests the previous year.

I don't know if he would have shot if they would have shot if a white suspect took his taser gun and ran. The officer in question also went through escalation training in April.

Either way, it is completely tragic what happened.
So his entire identity was wrapped up in arresting people who might be drunk. So much so he was willing to murder them to keep another notch on his belt from getting away.

Maybe if he was focused on helping people instead of racking up dui arrests he wouldn’t have freaked out and murdered someone posing no threat to anyone.

How many white DUI suspects did he murder? Seems unlikely none of them tried to escape. Drunk people do dumb stuff. You would think a cop whose entire identity is wrapped up in making DUI arrests would be more cognizant of how drunk people behave.
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06-16-2020 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
Drunk driving is a criminal offence and plenty of white people have been arrested for it..

When did DUIs become racist?

Driving drunk must be one of the scummiest things any person can do and the fact we have people defending it is mind boggling

The guy was drunk and fought two cops..

Do you want to live in a world where cops can't defend themselves or we just let criminals do what ever do they want?
I want to live in a place where cops aren’t so incompetent that the only way TWO officers can contain a single drunk man, who was asleep, is to murder him with a gun. That is “I have a dream” dream.

Imagine thinking shooting someone in the back who is running away is self defense. These police would fail a simple civilian conceal carry license pop quiz.
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06-16-2020 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I liked that Christopher Dorner case where the suspect was in a pickup truck and different police departments ended up shooting 3 different pickup trucks of just normal civilians sitting at stop lights.
I totally forgot about that. The old “he is hunting cops so if we have to murder a bunch of innocent civilians to stop him” gambit.
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06-16-2020 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I actually think ivr, deep down, is not a bad person. I think he was just raised a certain way. A warped certain way, but hey, he's just a victim of his upbringing.
Sorry, the whole miliita thing was a joke. In bad taste I guess.
If we agree that it was stupid for Mr Brooks to run away, and we agree that he shouldn't have been shot, than why are we arguing?

Edit: I'm starting to come around about ivr, don't get me wrong ivr, I still don't like you, about him not being, deep down, a bad person, because I think he really believes all the things he says to be true and logical. Crazy as that sounds lol
Geee maybe because you said I think drunk driving should lead to being killed or a lifetime in jail and I never said that

Or bc you said me and ivr agree and we don't
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06-16-2020 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
To say these cops would have let him go if he was white is total bullshit.



Way to spin a false narrative though.
Dude, you are definitely angry about something.

What false narrative? Are you seriously trying to tell me and everyone here that police treat black people the same as white people?
Next thing you know, you'll try to convince us that white people are discriminated against.

I tried to be nice but give me a fvckin brake.
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06-16-2020 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Wasn't one of his ideas to forgive student debts? That is pretty far left to me.
Free college is pretty common in the developed world. Forgiving debts is well to the right of that!
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06-16-2020 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Free college is pretty common in the developed world. Forgiving debts is well to the right of that!

Most of these right wingers don't seem to understand what bankruptcy proceedings do. lol
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06-16-2020 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Most of these right wingers don't seem to understand what bankruptcy proceedings do. lol
Surprising, really, considering that their dear leader is intimately familiar with that particular process.
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06-16-2020 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Free college is pretty common in the developed world. Forgiving debts is well to the right of that!
Yeah and where exactly would that be? Norway?
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06-16-2020 , 10:02 PM
Also not sure what bankruptcy has anything to do with discussion on student debt. Firstly, those in a position to go bankrupt would usually be the ones to afford their education in the first place and if not would have paid for it surely by the time they do apply for bankruptcy. And secondly if they did apply for bankruptcy and student loans were outstanding (and whilst not being familiar as to where that debt is held in the US but assuming it is with the government like it is here in Aus and not some private education facility) that any assets they do have would be applied to that debt as government debt before all other creditors including secured creditors got paid (or what very little in the dollar was returned).
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06-16-2020 , 11:05 PM
Re: the OP -- this Matt Taibbi piece is interesting.

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But police violence, and Trump’s daily assaults on the presidential competence standard, are only part of the disaster. On the other side of the political aisle, among self-described liberals, we’re watching an intellectual revolution. It feels liberating to say after years of tiptoeing around the fact, but the American left has lost its mind. It’s become a cowardly mob of upper-class social media addicts, Twitter Robespierres who move from discipline to discipline torching reputations and jobs with breathtaking casualness.

The leaders of this new movement are replacing traditional liberal beliefs about tolerance, free inquiry, and even racial harmony with ideas so toxic and unattractive that they eschew debate, moving straight to shaming, threats, and intimidation. They are counting on the guilt-ridden, self-flagellating nature of traditional American progressives, who will not stand up for themselves, and will walk to the Razor voluntarily.

They’ve conned organization after organization into empowering panels to search out thoughtcrime, and it’s established now that anything can be an offense, from a UCLA professor placed under investigation for reading Martin Luther King’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” out loud to a data scientist fired* from a research firm for — get this — retweeting an academic study suggesting nonviolent protests may be more politically effective than violent ones!

Now, this madness is coming for journalism. Beginning on Friday, June 5th, a series of controversies rocked the media. By my count, at least eight news organizations dealt with internal uprisings (it was likely more). Most involved groups of reporters and staffers demanding the firing or reprimand of colleagues who’d made politically “problematic” editorial or social media decisions.
The problem is just trying to assess how representative the worst examples of "cancel culture" (for lack of a better term) excess are.
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06-16-2020 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Re: the OP -- this Matt Taibbi piece is interesting.



The problem is just trying to assess how representative the worst examples of "cancel culture" (for lack of a better term) excess are.
Yep.

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The Federalist Caper


So, Google was demonetizing the Federalist, and then it wasn’t. NBC News has the story, or it doesn’t.

On Tuesday, NBC News published a story claiming that Google had “banned” the Federalist, a right-wing news and commentary site, from its advertising platform. The Federalist, according to NBC News, was being “demonetized.” Google shortly thereafter asserted that no such thing had happened with the Federalist; Google took issue with some of the content in the Federalist’s comments section and worked with the publication to resolve the issue.


This was all generally related to criticism of the recent protests originating in Minneapolis and Black Lives Matter, an organization of which the Left intends to permit no criticism.

NBC News did what looks like some bad reporting. But NBC News also was at the heart of the story: A complaint from NBC News is what started off Google’s review process to begin with, at least according to a report from NBC News, which, apparently, is not to be trusted here.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-16-2020 at 11:34 PM. Reason: I'm counting down before the NBC journalist starts making herself the victim.
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06-16-2020 , 11:38 PM
I'm thinking the term "Knickerbocker" might be racist, "Steeler" too. Definitely "Chiefs", "Redskins" and "Indians" but most of all "Cowboy" has got to go, not only cause I hate Dallas, but they killed a **** load of Indians man!
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06-17-2020 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Key Guy
I'm thinking the term "Knickerbocker" might be racist, "Steeler" too. Definitely "Chiefs", "Redskins" and "Indians" but most of all "Cowboy" has got to go, not only cause I hate Dallas, but they killed a **** load of Indians man!
you forgot the Braves
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06-17-2020 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Free college is pretty common in the developed world. Forgiving debts is well to the right of that!
Lol
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