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06-15-2020 , 02:57 PM
Again, the protocol in Germany is to call a towing company.
The tow truck is usually quick at the scene. The police wait at the scene until the tow truck arrives. There is no way that the suspect is going to get back in his car and be able to hit the road and endanger anyone. Again, a suspect will occasionally be arrested, but only at the scene of an accident, not for simply being pulled over. Let's not get things confused. In Germany, it is legal and common for police to set up control points. It makes it more difficult in this country because of civil rights abuse, but this is not a problem in Germany.
Police almost always have control points on weekends at hot spots like in the vicinity of a night club. People still don't learn and drink and take their own vehicle home. If they arrested each and every driver they pulled over, half of Germany would be in jail.
The whole procedural way of policing in America is ******ed.
And, I'm willing to bet, if the victim, Mr Brooks?, was white, he would have just been given a slap on the wrist. So, don't tell me that the police had to arrest him, that's bs.
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06-15-2020 , 03:18 PM
White people in America go out and get drunk all the time. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call them out on it. But if a black person is drunk, all of a sudden he's a criminal. Half the white people in An should be in jail right now.
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06-15-2020 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
His BAC was 1.08. Legally drunk.

But yes, should absolutely of let him run away. They know who he is and have his car! What's he going to do, never pick up his car?

They can easily issue a warrant for resisting arrest and assault of a police officer. No need for lethal force.
They acted like they should, except for emptying half the clip.
Dunno, maybe first like a warning shot...and then maybe one to the legs or something.

''But yes, should absolutely of let him run away.''
But thats just ridiculous!
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06-15-2020 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
They acted like they should, except for emptying half the clip.
Dunno, maybe first like a warning shot...and then maybe one to the legs or something.

''But yes, should absolutely of let him run away.''
But thats just ridiculous!
I think when police officers discharge their weapon they don't shoot warning shots.

Certainly, I don't think the police officers were in imminent danger at the time of the shooting.

But, the police made several mistakes. First, they let a suspected drunk driver take his car from the window to a spot in the parking lot.

Then, they didn't put him against the car to cuff him properly. They are supposed to take a suspects leverage away to prevent those things.
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06-15-2020 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
I think when police officers discharge their weapon they don't shoot warning shots.

Certainly, I don't think the police officers were in imminent danger at the time of the shooting.

But, the police made several mistakes. First, they let a suspected drunk driver take his car from the window to a spot in the parking lot.

Then, they didn't put him against the car to cuff him properly. They are supposed to take a suspects leverage away to prevent those things.
Anyway, this had nothing to do with racism at all.
(like left/CNN/blm wants people to believe)
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06-15-2020 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Anyway, this had nothing to do with racism at all.
(like left/CNN/blm wants people to believe)
They responded to a call.

He was drunk behind a wheel. The arresting officer was given an award from Mothers Against Drunk Driving for making 51 drunk driving arrests the previous year.

I don't know if he would have shot if they would have shot if a white suspect took his taser gun and ran. The officer in question also went through escalation training in April.

Either way, it is completely tragic what happened.
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06-15-2020 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Again, the protocol in Germany is to call a towing company.
The tow truck is usually quick at the scene. The police wait at the scene until the tow truck arrives. There is no way that the suspect is going to get back in his car and be able to hit the road and endanger anyone. Again, a suspect will occasionally be arrested, but only at the scene of an accident, not for simply being pulled over. Let's not get things confused. In Germany, it is legal and common for police to set up control points. It makes it more difficult in this country because of civil rights abuse, but this is not a problem in Germany.
Police almost always have control points on weekends at hot spots like in the vicinity of a night club. People still don't learn and drink and take their own vehicle home. If they arrested each and every driver they pulled over, half of Germany would be in jail.
The whole procedural way of policing in America is ******ed.
And, I'm willing to bet, if the victim, Mr Brooks?, was white, he would have just been given a slap on the wrist. So, don't tell me that the police had to arrest him, that's bs.
they have these all over USA. its not a problem at all.

one time, in my city, they put up a sign that said "Vehicle Search Ahead for Drugs" (or something) but that is actually illegal. so what the cops did was pull over everyone that turned off onto the street after the sign seeming to avoid the supposed upcoming "search." now, there was no search (since it was illegal) but they cops argued that by avoiding what the drivers thought was a search compelled probable cause.

so there was some controversy and it went to court. not sure how it turned out.

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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
White people in America go out and get drunk all the time. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call them out on it. But if a black person is drunk, all of a sudden he's a criminal. Half the white people in An should be in jail right now.
just about every white person over the age of 30 has a DUI in America.
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06-15-2020 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Either way, it is completely tragic what happened.
Yes, especially because police was really friendly at first, and victim was also chill at first.
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06-15-2020 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
they have these all over USA. its not a problem at all.

one time, in my city, they put up a sign that said "Vehicle Search Ahead for Drugs" (or something) but that is actually illegal. so what the cops did was pull over everyone that turned off onto the street after the sign seeming to avoid the supposed upcoming "search." now, there was no search (since it was illegal) but they cops argued that by avoiding what the drivers thought was a search compelled probable cause.

so there was some controversy and it went to court. not sure how it turned out.
I'm sure you are right. I don't dispute that. America is a huge country and I'm sure they do things differently in different parts of the country. I guess I should have specified my region? Or, maybe I'm just old and I don't get out much
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06-15-2020 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I'm sure you are right. I don't dispute that. America is a huge country and I'm sure they do things differently in different parts of the country. I guess I should have specified my region? Or, maybe I'm just old and I don't get out much
http://www.duiblock.com/dui_checkpoint_locations/

I guess they arent in all states. they are all over the place in OH.
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06-15-2020 , 10:06 PM
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Yes, you did. I don't agree that something is right-wing just because right-wingers like it. I would say America's current immigration policy is centrist. Right-wingers would block everyone who isn't white. But we agree on the main point that Bernie is not a centrist.
We agree on the main point. I think Bernie's true view on immigration is something like give everybody already here a path to citizenship, then start restricting new arrivals to protect US workers. It's not Stephen Miller, but I think It's fairly right compared to even many moderate dems who want to increase the number of immigrants we allow.
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06-15-2020 , 11:47 PM
I'm sure that got reversed. **** police are stupid. A traffic violation is not reasonable suspicion for a search but they can use the old "I smell marijuana" trick for probable cause but getting people to react to a sign warning of an upcoming illegal search seems really dumb.
Also turning to avoid a checkpoint is also not reasonable cause to be pulled over but they usually put the sign somewhere that you need to make a traffic violation to avoid the checkpoint beyond that point
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06-16-2020 , 07:20 AM
Bernie is far left in terms of choices available to the american voter.

He is moderately centre left in terms of policies in relation to all possible policies emerging from political ideology.

To be far left in those terms you have to be proposing a fairly substantial socialising of private property.
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06-16-2020 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
White people in America go out and get drunk all the time. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call them out on it. But if a black person is drunk, all of a sudden he's a criminal. Half the white people in An should be in jail right now.
Drunk driving is a criminal offence and plenty of white people have been arrested for it..

When did DUIs become racist?

Driving drunk must be one of the scummiest things any person can do and the fact we have people defending it is mind boggling

The guy was drunk and fought two cops..

Do you want to live in a world where cops can't defend themselves or we just let criminals do what ever do they want?
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06-16-2020 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Bernie is far left in terms of choices available to the american voter.

He is moderately centre left in terms of policies in relation to all possible policies emerging from political ideology.

To be far left in those terms you have to be proposing a fairly substantial socialising of private property.
Wasn't one of his ideas to forgive student debts? That is pretty far left to me.
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06-16-2020 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
Drunk driving is a criminal offence and plenty of white people have been arrested for it..

When did DUIs become racist?

Driving drunk must be one of the scummiest things any person can do and the fact we have people defending it is mind boggling

The guy was drunk and fought two cops..

Do you want to live in a world where cops can't defend themselves or we just let criminals do what ever do they want?
Oh for Pete's sake. Then I bet you're the biggest criminal here.
Drunk driving in most states is a misdemeanor or traffic offense.
The guy wasn't driving when the police confronted him.
Anybody with half a brain knows that it's up to the officers discretion how he handles individual situations.
At first appearance, running from the cops seems like the stupidest thing. I mean, they know who you are, they're going to find you. But if you're black and hear about all these police killings, maybe you're terrified for your life?
So sure, let's kill every drunk driver. Is that the country you want to live in?
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06-16-2020 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr

Driving drunk must be one of the scummiest things any person can do and the fact we have people defending it is mind boggling
It's true.
Drunk driving, Rape, Murder, Extortion, Child Exploitation, Dropping the H Bomb and Leaving The Toilet Seat Up.

In that order.
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06-16-2020 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Wasn't one of his ideas to forgive student debts? That is pretty far left to me.
Still no.

Far left really does = communism/state owned means of production etc.
Debt forgiveness isn't a left wing concept.
Unless you think anyone who believes in bankruptcy laws is a far left winger.
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06-16-2020 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Still no.

Far left really does = communism/state owned means of production etc.
Debt forgiveness isn't a left wing concept.
Unless you think anyone who believes in bankruptcy laws is a far left winger.
believe me, every single right wing poster here loves the idea of bankruptcy for the large corporations but hates that an individual could be afforded even a fraction of such a benefit.
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06-16-2020 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
Drunk driving is a criminal offence and plenty of white people have been arrested for it..

When did DUIs become racist?

Driving drunk must be one of the scummiest things any person can do and the fact we have people defending it is mind boggling

The guy was drunk and fought two cops..

Do you want to live in a world where cops can't defend themselves or we just let criminals do what ever do they want?
nobody is defending duis. they just dont think it should be a death sentence. neither should "drunk and fought two cops".

and nor were the cops "defending themselves". the guy was ****ing running away. away, as in not towards them. as in not threatening them.
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06-16-2020 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Still no.

Far left really does = communism/state owned means of production etc.
Debt forgiveness isn't a left wing concept.
Unless you think anyone who believes in bankruptcy laws is a far left winger.
Actually it is. The right wing position is a user pays system. The left wing position is that the government should pay for everyone's education. The centralist position is that for those that can't afford to pay for their education that they should be given a loan to have the opportunity of studying to pay it back later. The far left position is to break down previous regimes of loans and loan payments and have the government now pick up the tab when that debt should, in the ideal world of how these regimes work, being paid back once you enter the workforce and start earning in the job you have got with your qualification.
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06-16-2020 , 09:19 AM
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believe me, every single right wing poster here loves the idea of bankruptcy for the large corporations but hates that an individual could be afforded even a fraction of such a benefit.
Yeah, right wingers never seem to be smart enough to understand what they're actually for or against. They're just followers that run around and repeat the latest slogans.
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06-16-2020 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Actually it is. The right wing position is a user pays system. The left wing position is that the government should pay for everyone's education. The centralist position is that for those that can't afford to pay for their education that they should be given a loan to have the opportunity of studying to pay it back later. The far left position is to break down previous regimes of loans and loan payments and have the government now pick up the tab when that debt should, in the ideal world of how these regimes work, being paid back once you enter the workforce and start earning in the job you have got with your qualification.
What does all that gibberish mean ?

Far left means no private ownership of the means of production and schools so there would be no debt to begin with.

You're parsing centrist positions.

Also, are you claiming that right wingers are against bankruptcy ?
Because I've never heard any of them complain about it. In fact most want more of it in the form of states declaring it.
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06-16-2020 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Wasn't one of his ideas to forgive student debts? That is pretty far left to me.
Correct.
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06-16-2020 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
http://www.duiblock.com/dui_checkpoint_locations/

I guess they arent in all states. they are all over the place in OH.
The last couple times I drove cross country Ohio was completely off the hook. It seemed like they have as many cops out on the highways as all the other states combined. Like if I saw say 20 for the entire ride at least 10 were in OH.
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