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06-13-2020 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
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the Freddie Gray homicide in Baltimore in 2015................

6 officers were charged - 3 were black

after that and all the unrest, the cops relaxed their response to radio calls for help

homicides in Baltimore, already among the highest in the nation, and other violent crime soared as a result of this

I'm not giving a pass or okaying the cops for slouching off - and certainly not for those who mishandled the Freddie Gray arrest

but they're human

if every cop is portrayed as a monster many are going to react negatively in some way - that's just human nature

I think it's very likely that something similar to this could occur in the future because of the demonization of the cops

if you or a person in your family or a person you know is victimized by violence (that is something I don't wish on anybody) there's a fair chance there won't be an efficient response from the cops while their viewed this way

this isn't politics talking
this is just reality





note: my friend was shot dead in DC during the crack epidemic years
he was messing around with coke and probably didn't pay some dealer what he owed
the cops told his father: "there's not much chance that we can catch this guy"
that was a horrible thing for a father to have to hear

that particular cop slacked off in his responsibilities
I'm not saying that is common - I really don't know - I do know the DC police had at that time an impossibly large caseload
The profession of law enforcement attracts a certain personality and the cop culture enforces it. Mainly being a dick, enjoying f****** with people and getting an erection from a power trip is a good starting point.

Case in point posted below
Cop sees a black guy sitting on a back porch of a student housing building. Decides being black in public is a good enough reason to see what this guy is up to. By the time he parks and approaches this threat to society the guy is picking up trash. So either he got in trouble and is paying his dues, doing it as a job or doing it as community service but the cop still engages him for what? To embarrass him or something? The guy gives up a student ID and says he lives there. Student ID + hanging out around student housing. Also the black guy obviously speaks fairly intelligently and also uses the word "dude". I think we can assume he's not some gang banger but the cop, as most cops always do, wants to get more information that really is none of their business.
At this point the suspect is upset because he knows he's being profiled.
This is where people will say "just give the officer some respect and there will be no problem".
**** that. If it was some white kid with a University of Colorado hat on would the cop be stopping by? Note that the cop approached him on his own. There was no complaint called in, he just though it looked suspicious.
At the least maybe he thought there was a black guy ****ing a young white college girl, medium is maybe he thought he was selling a little weed or X to some college students and worse and most likely is he saw a black guy and figured he may be up to something.
As soon as the kid decides he's not going to lick any boots or balls of the cop things get out of hand but this is par for the course for cops. They pull you over or stop you, want your name, where you going, where you coming from, what do you do for a living, where'd you grow up, any criminal record and when you tell them it's none of their business they want to start threatening you with illegal arrest and all kinds of ****.
I also refuse to accept this is an isolated incident. This is normal cop behavior and they're trained to do this and people are sick of it. We don't need to tell them **** but because of their massive power trip/ego if you do not submit 100% to their authority they’re going to make it a bad day for you and possibly life changing. The **** needs to stop.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19AG5Xb4oI
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06-13-2020 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
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the Freddie Gray homicide in Baltimore in 2015................

6 officers were charged - 3 were black

after that and all the unrest, the cops relaxed their response to radio calls for help

homicides in Baltimore, already among the highest in the nation, and other violent crime soared as a result of this

I'm not giving a pass or okaying the cops for slouching off - and certainly not for those who mishandled the Freddie Gray arrest

but they're human

if every cop is portrayed as a monster many are going to react negatively in some way - that's just human nature

I think it's very likely that something similar to this could occur in the future because of the demonization of the cops

if you or a person in your family or a person you know is victimized by violence (that is something I don't wish on anybody) there's a fair chance there won't be an efficient response from the cops while their viewed this way

this isn't politics talking
this is just reality





note: my friend was shot dead in DC during the crack epidemic years
he was messing around with coke and probably didn't pay some dealer what he owed
the cops told his father: "there's not much chance that we can catch this guy"
that was a horrible thing for a father to have to hear

that particular cop slacked off in his responsibilities
I'm not saying that is common - I really don't know - I do know the DC police had at that time an impossibly large caseload
Also note that I don't think all cops are racist. Of course there is some % that are, just like there is in the general population.

At the time of Freddie Gray's murder the city of Baltimore is 45% black, mayor black, majority of the city council is black, chief of police is black, 2nd in command of the police black, a good portion of Baltimore PD black.
It's cop culture. A black cop is going to profile black people probably as much as white cops.
5% of the population (black males under 65) are convicted of over 1/2 of the homicides and 1/2 of the violent crimes so I can see the cop's arguments. That is a goddamn epidemic and as some posters have written in other threads govt policy and laws have played a part in this. Govt cannot fix everything though but reigning in the police and their tactics seems like the low hanging fruit at this time.
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06-13-2020 , 01:50 PM
That video was infuriating to watch.
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06-13-2020 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
homicides in Baltimore, already among the highest in the nation, and other violent crime soared as a result of this
Freddie Gray died in 2015.

Homicides in Baltimore by year:
2015: 342
2016: 318
2017: 342
2018: 309
2019: 348

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06-13-2020 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
lol @ thinking Bernie is a Centrist.

A centrist is someone who subscribes to a fairly equal number of concepts from both sides. Which right-wing concepts does Bernie subscribe to?
On immigration he's been pretty in line with moderate republicans and dems.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Same on gun control.
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06-13-2020 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
On immigration he's been pretty in line with moderate republicans and dems.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Same on gun control.
He's about as far left as you can go when compared to establishment democrats but he bent the knee in a the blink of an eye. He's a non event at this point.
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06-13-2020 , 02:41 PM
My point was his views on immigration and gun control don't seem like he was pandering to the middle. They seem like his honest beliefs, held for a long time. Granted, he represents a very white state so maybe he's had to pander on that stuff from day 1.
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06-13-2020 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
The profession of law enforcement attracts a certain personality and the cop culture enforces it. Mainly being a dick, enjoying f****** with people and getting an erection from a power trip is a good starting point.

Case in point posted below
Cop sees a black guy sitting on a back porch of a student housing building. Decides being black in public is a good enough reason to see what this guy is up to. By the time he parks and approaches this threat to society the guy is picking up trash. So either he got in trouble and is paying his dues, doing it as a job or doing it as community service but the cop still engages him for what? To embarrass him or something? The guy gives up a student ID and says he lives there. Student ID + hanging out around student housing. Also the black guy obviously speaks fairly intelligently and also uses the word "dude". I think we can assume he's not some gang banger but the cop, as most cops always do, wants to get more information that really is none of their business.
At this point the suspect is upset because he knows he's being profiled.
This is where people will say "just give the officer some respect and there will be no problem".
**** that. If it was some white kid with a University of Colorado hat on would the cop be stopping by? Note that the cop approached him on his own. There was no complaint called in, he just though it looked suspicious.
At the least maybe he thought there was a black guy ****ing a young white college girl, medium is maybe he thought he was selling a little weed or X to some college students and worse and most likely is he saw a black guy and figured he may be up to something.
As soon as the kid decides he's not going to lick any boots or balls of the cop things get out of hand but this is par for the course for cops. They pull you over or stop you, want your name, where you going, where you coming from, what do you do for a living, where'd you grow up, any criminal record and when you tell them it's none of their business they want to start threatening you with illegal arrest and all kinds of ****.
I also refuse to accept this is an isolated incident. This is normal cop behavior and they're trained to do this and people are sick of it. We don't need to tell them **** but because of their massive power trip/ego if you do not submit 100% to their authority they’re going to make it a bad day for you and possibly life changing. The **** needs to stop.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19AG5Xb4oI
And let me just add to this post that the police officer that was in the wrong here did negotiate his dismissal from the force with a nice $69,000 per year pension from the force (Colorado tax payers).
These guys need to be held personally liable for their illegal actions. We pay their salaries for them to commit crimes against ourselves and then pay for them in the form of lawsuits and retirement benefits.
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06-13-2020 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Freddie Gray died in 2015.

Homicides in Baltimore by year:
2015: 342
2016: 318
2017: 342
2018: 309
2019: 348

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i love how its NEVER true. like the claims are never accurate..
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06-13-2020 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
lol @ thinking Bernie is a Centrist.

A centrist is someone who subscribes to a fairly equal number of concepts from both sides. Which right-wing concepts does Bernie subscribe to?

Even more lol @ thinking Warren is right of center.

You sound like a fascist.
Everyone is going to seem like a lefty to you.

But to address your point, Bernie isn't calling for the state to own the means of production so he's not far left. No matter what right positions he holds or doesn't hold. smh. wow.
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06-13-2020 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You keep saying stuff like this, but as always, it's based on a snuck premise. Don't think for a minute that you are not, at the very least, an extreme partisan, and I would consider you an extremist who relies on the less extreme positions, along with conflating stuff to hide it. Everything you say is distorted in one way another, with the main goal of demonstrating your extremism as altruistic, or honorable. When confronted with your distortions, you just deflect, or ignore the criticism. That's what extremist do. When we flesh out your arguments, it boils down to the means justify the ends, and ultimately people can see you contradict the very values you portend to stand for.
Lol
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06-13-2020 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
lol @ thinking Bernie is a Centrist.

A centrist is someone who subscribes to a fairly equal number of concepts from both sides. Which right-wing concepts does Bernie subscribe to?

Even more lol @ thinking Warren is right of center.
He supports the troops and vets
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06-13-2020 , 08:43 PM
lol iw right.

like wtf does this even mean?

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I would consider you an extremist who relies on the less extreme positions, along with conflating stuff to hide it. Everything you say is distorted in one way another, with the main goal of demonstrating your extremism as altruistic, or honorable.
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06-13-2020 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rivercitybirdie
OP, i agree 100%

ironic thing is that it is DJT that is causing this to be mainstream. it's always been around but at the fringes.........now, "white male privilege" which most people scoffed is becoming a mainstream thing.

watched don lemon by accident last night. just about puked... he is a joke. completely the same as all the ridiculous right wing radio and fox news types. same arrogance........ and how is he and/or cnn (fox news too) still considered news channel. they shouldn't have WH credentials (and no one dislikes DJT more than me)
CNN CENTRIST Rivercitybirdie’s cat ran across his remote and accidentally turned on CNN last night. As soon as Don Lemon’s face appeared his remote control spontaneous combusted, the power plug became one with the wall, and all the buttons on the television proper evaporated.

Quite a crazy bunch coincidences causing you to watch Don Lemon.
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06-13-2020 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I think technically speaking fisherman are not risking their lives for our safety nor or any of those other jobs. So it's not really the greatest rebuttal of what you are alleging it rebuts.
Correct. It is actually a bigger deal as they are taking on a greater risk just so we can eat fish.

Cops taking much less risk to provide safety is a bargain. Although it is not clear that policing, as it currently stands, is a net positive on public safety.

Back to point. You were wrong saying that point was not a great rebuttal. It is in fact a much better rebuttal than they even claimed due to the benefit of their sacrifice potentially being so much less.

Plus fishermen rarely murder black people WHILE fishing.
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06-13-2020 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
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Can't defend the police. Then who will protect the minority small business owner from robberies?
Stories where a black person is brave enough to call the police but the police show up and treat them as the suspect is becoming a nearly occurrence.

It is racist. It is incompetence. It is racist incompetence.
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06-14-2020 , 12:11 AM
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06-14-2020 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Freddie Gray died in 2015.

Homicides in Baltimore by year:
2015: 342
2016: 318
2017: 342
2018: 309
2019: 348

..............................

this post was suggesting my comment that homicides soared after the Freddie Gray incident is false

my comments were not false

I was referring to immediately after - a few weeks or months - not for years

I know what happened in Baltimore - I live near there and have family there




https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/u...ders-soar.html
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06-14-2020 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
You sound like a fascist.

Everyone is going to seem like a lefty to you.



But to address your point, Bernie isn't calling for the state to own the means of production so he's not far left. No matter what right positions he holds or doesn't hold. smh. wow.
Bernie is far left, Biden is left.
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06-14-2020 , 05:46 AM
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from the NYT article dated June, 2015 referred to 2 posts up:

"A month and a half after six officers were charged in Mr. Gray’s death, policing has dwindled in some of Baltimore’s most dangerous neighborhoods, and murders have risen to levels not seen in four decades. The totals include a 29-year-old man fatally shot on this drug corner last month. Police union officials say that officers are still coming to work, but that some feel a newfound reluctance and are stepping back, questioning whether they will be prosecuted for actions they take on the job."


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/u...ders-soar.html
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06-14-2020 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
But to address your point, Bernie isn't calling for the state to own the means of production so he's not far left.
you can still put a cigarette paper between far left and left as it gets
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06-14-2020 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
On immigration he's been pretty in line with moderate republicans and dems.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Same on gun control.
Those are not right-wing concepts. What you're saying is that he is left on most issues, but centrist on some. That does not average out to being a Centrist.
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06-14-2020 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Those are not right-wing concepts. What you're saying is that he is left on most issues, but centrist on some. That does not average out to being a Centrist.
It does not matter...somewhat left is not gonna cut it here.
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06-14-2020 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Those are not right-wing concepts. What you're saying is that he is left on most issues, but centrist on some. That does not average out to being a Centrist.
You can't really average political positions like numbers and his immigration positions have won praise from right wingers. I don't necessarily think it makes sense to call him a centrist, but you asked for some of his positions that could be considered right wing and I provided them.
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06-14-2020 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
this post was suggesting my comment that homicides soared after the Freddie Gray incident is false

my comments were not false

I was referring to immediately after - a few weeks or months - not for years

I know what happened in Baltimore - I live near there and have family there




https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/u...ders-soar.html
imagine thinking that the problem with the Freddie Gray murder was that people were upset at the murderers. this is the American left. these are liberals and Democrats. why dont you just get over the self delusion and vote for Trump.
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