True. But that doesn't mean 8 years of Biden won't be just as bad.
The US is at a breaking point for a reason. And it's honestly not because of Trump. He's just taking advantage of the atmosphere.

You think Hillary wouldn't do the same ?
If you answer 'yes' go back and look at some Occupy videos and see what Obama did.

The post I was responding to said we need to get rid of Trump and worry about the details later. I disagree. The details are what gave us Trump.

It's like you're drinking a 5th of whiskey every night, waking up with a headache and yelling at your wife because you don't have any advil one morning. Advil isn't the key to your happiness in that case. It's just masking the symptom of a bad habit.

Maybe HC would not have been much different. I voted for her but I wasn't too crazy about her either.
But do you honestly believe that Trump is handling the situation properly?

This false and rather frankly rather childish equivalence of "GOP bad Dem bad ergo both equally bad" really serves no purpose other than to signal to everyone that you're digging your heels in and are totally unwilling to compromise. It's not a tenable position in the real world.

They're not equally bad. Even if you think they are equally bad on the economic and military front, what about climate change and the environment? What about not loading the courts with ultra-conservative religious nutcase judges for the next 20-40 years? What about maintaining a democrary rather than descending into authoritarianism? Etc. etc.

There are a lot of reasons why they're not equally bad.

Trump is a symptom. Thats where a lot of your are misguided. Address the reasons why Trump is in power. But the libs and the Dems dont want to do that bc they benefit from the system and rules that bring Trump.

Hell, they benefit immensely from Trump himself as well. Just look at what you and others are saying with the sentiments in this post. Dont try to fix anything. Dont try to make people's lives better. In fact even mentioning it and trying to make such positive changes is actually detrimental. Full support of Dems if you even want a crumb of change in the future, which they proly wont even give.

Trump is perfect for them. They get support. They get money and resources and power. And they dont get accountability. They dont get responsibility. They dont need to deliver on any sort of improvement to the citizenry.

Imagine having as little self-awareness as these posters:

"Yeah lol at criticizing other people on their side, don't they know that the proper way 2 political party is to join a cult of personality around Donald Trump and never criticize him?"

Conservatives: We are sick and tired of liberals making lazy comparisons to Nazi Germany
Also conservatives: Protesters breaking windows is just like the actions of Nazi troops in the 1930s when you think about it

No Victor, the adults are just being pragmatic. While you and Rflush are off in lala land "addressing the reasons Trump is in power", he is going to consolidate that power, then ship you both off to some Fed medium for re-education (which is worse than the Gulags, as you know).

Grow up guys. Get rid of Trump, then start the infighting. You're not doing anyone any favours with your current attitude, least of all yourselves. When they say "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it", they're talking about you two.

TD,
I don't know if you had a chance to see my response to your post but before WN deleted them both, but I liked it enough to take a screenshot just in case that happened. PM me if you want to see it.

There's really one reason why they are equally bad in the end and that's because they're both controlled by the same corporate interests.

You're saying that I should accept the fact that I have lung cancer because it's not as bad as pancreatic cancer. I'm saying I'd rather not have cancer.

It's not at all childish. It's very much based in the reality of our two party system. Especially post Citizens United.

What about the courts ? Obama gave the conservatives a justice. I mean...you're worried now ?

Of course not. He's an oaf.

Hillary would have been more polished but at the end of the day America would be worse off and probably not much better off then we'll be now. Because they all work for the same people and it isn't us. Just sayin'.

I voted for Hillary. Will vote for Biden I guess. But I also understand the system is broken. At least if you're not in the 1%.

then we are ****ed so it doesnt matter.

but when the opposition party stands against everything that I prefer then no, I wont support it. if the opposition party refuses to address the systemic issues that brought about Trump then I got some bad news for you. leaving the exact same system in place will allow the next "Trump" to be a lot worse than merely a bad Obama.

and I really arent too worried about Trump and the Repubs doing something dumb like ending elections. why would they? and then risk actually pissing ppl off? no its perfect now. we have the choice between a right wing ultra conservative corporate oligarchy or a different right wing ultra conservative corporate oligarchy.

The "new left" as OP puts it is just a bunch of LARPers. It's really that simple. You can look at the political people like Kyle Kulinski on youtube and see it. He has no principles. His conservative father died of cancer because he didn't trust doctors, and Kulinski turned around and said his father died from lack of UHC.

And you can look at these forums, and see people like Victor and others are LARPing They're just conformists. They repeat all the stupid talking points that come from Chapo Trap House. They whine about rigged elections even though it is quite apparent that from the recent meltdown between former Bernie staffers his campaign was the luckbox of politics to get as far as it did.

The real left, not the fake left of Rose Twitter, is going to vote for the candidate who isn't Trump because poor people, minorities, Puerto Ricans who were disparaged during the aftermath of a Hurricane, people who try to come here for a life away from violence and get separated from their families, LGBT people getting their rights rolled back, protesters getting tear sprayed for photo ops or for cops to their jollies, the 110k and rising people who died from COVID-19...

Victor and the dirtbag left/Rose Twitter are the Trumps holding the Bible upside down of the political world. There's no principles, just clout chasing.

wtf have the dems done for those people and are going to do?

you gotta be straight up delusional.

Anyway , with all the bail out from 2008 to this day , you can’t be more left while still being capitalist than the American ....
It’s socialist economically at is best .
Just missing a bit of socialist in a public service like health care for all and you have it .
Shrug

I am not sure if you are joking or not but its not ****ing socialism to take money from poor people and give it to ****ing banks.

How can poor people get their money taken away from if they are poor already ....?

And regardless where the money comes from , what the US government doing is economic socialism , like it not !

Now the disgrace is having such huge debts but still not giving much public services to the people and this is exactly what I said previously.

Yup pretty much that

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the Freddie Gray homicide in Baltimore in 2015................

6 officers were charged - 3 were black

after that and all the unrest, the cops relaxed their response to radio calls for help

homicides in Baltimore, already among the highest in the nation, and other violent crime soared as a result of this

I'm not giving a pass or okaying the cops for slouching off - and certainly not for those who mishandled the Freddie Gray arrest

but they're human

if every cop is portrayed as a monster many are going to react negatively in some way - that's just human nature

I think it's very likely that something similar to this could occur in the future because of the demonization of the cops

if you or a person in your family or a person you know is victimized by violence (that is something I don't wish on anybody) there's a fair chance there won't be an efficient response from the cops while their viewed this way

this isn't politics talking
this is just reality





note: my friend was shot dead in DC during the crack epidemic years
he was messing around with coke and probably didn't pay some dealer what he owed
the cops told his father: "there's not much chance that we can catch this guy"
that was a horrible thing for a father to have to hear

that particular cop slacked off in his responsibilities
I'm not saying that is common - I really don't know - I do know the DC police had at that time an impossibly large caseload

I knew this kid named Max who used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs
He liked to hang out late he liked to get ****-faced and keep the pace with thugs
Until late one night there was a big gun fight and max lost his head
He pulled out his chrome .45, talked some ****, and wound up dead
Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all of this pain
You know it comes that way at least that's what they say when you play the game
God forbid you ever had to wake up to hear the news
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose

Well, when you train your police force to see themselves as outside of the community they police they're naturally going to feel bad when you start telling them the people they look down on are actually their equals.

The solution is easy. Train them properly in the first place.
In the mean time do what they do in any other job and weed out the weak employees who aren't up to the job.

Bernie gets 46% of pledged delegates in 2016.
Bernie runs a terrible campaign in 2020.
Right wing corporate 'moderate' says 46% of the primary voters are LARPS.
Thinks Biden is 'the man'.

lulz.

I think what we have seen in the last decade is the rise of 3 classes of progressives - the left, the far left and the extreme far left. Most proponents of progressive political ideologies on here are far left but there are a few that I can see are part of that extreme far left which is counting those that have been condoning the looting and damage to property occuring in the rioting. Of course I'm not going to deny that the invention of smart phones and social media is much to blame for this but also may I say it is because people and I'm talking the younger generation are taking longer to develop in life (whether that be going to university, obtaining a full time job in your chosen profession or starting a family).

Nah, progressive politics is a thing. It's not anarchy. It's a center left political movement that grew in response to the inequality and corruption of the gilded age. It's interested in addressing problems such as worker exploitation, social injustice and environmentalism. It has nothing to do with the far left or the extreme far left.

That's why it's funny when the neo liberal dummies come here and throw pebbles at Bernie.

lol @ thinking Bernie is a Centrist.

A centrist is someone who subscribes to a fairly equal number of concepts from both sides. Which right-wing concepts does Bernie subscribe to?

Even more lol @ thinking Warren is right of center.