Pathetic.

That whole English/Irish example really drives it all home no? But it's white people! lol Let's just slide by that one ok?

I was reading some stats in the back of some dusty old book and found out English people have apparently seen like Zero!! Leprechauns. Now who's oppressed? Everything's totally fine.

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You lied, bro, but you are not a cult. GG.

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Yes durrrr, culture is an obvious effect on behaviour, oh look the sky is blue.

Racism though, is an obvious determinate of culture, and that is the problem you have to work on to give your thesis any weight, and there is nothing from you in that regard. TSG.

Of course racism impacts the decision to join a gang today. If you don't see a good opportunity to make a living for yourself outside of a gang, you join the gang.

As much as you trotted out a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" at me for my causative theory, observing that certain groups are more prone to suicide, therefore suicide is cultural is most definitely post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Anyone capable of making such a divorced from reality statement should not be accusing other people of being in cults, the earth is flat is closer to being true.

Itshot,

Why are kids joining gangs today?

Because of culture. And that culture is not intrinsic. But it's also not related to extrinsic variables either. It just exists.

What this conversation has taught me is, it's impossible to reason with many of you. Some of you really think your distorted interpretations are reality. This is not a left/right team fight. This is a discussion about reality, and you all are distorting it for whatever reason, whether that be ideological, or just group think type ****.


It's obvious there is a cult-like mentality to make every single issue affecting the black community be about racism. Many of you deny doing this, then turn around and proudly make the claim that's what you arguing. Any denial of that is just a further distortion of reality. You blame the entirety of the ills the black community on racism, and ignore their own unique problems that don't involve racism, and when they are presented you just move the conversation back to racism. That's an obsession.

None of that is inaccurate.

Black culture emerges from a magical vacuum according to ICIV.

Why do people like Crack, and others like Meth?

IHIV you are the one who has a belief in something that you cant get close to proving via deductive reasoning.

Your argument is culture exists, I cant provide any explanation on what creates it, and that culture influences behaviour more than racism.

It is a really **** weak argument.

What you don't get is, it does not matter what creates it, becasue it's own unique thing once it's created. That's indisputable.

Maybe economic and social conditions influence culture is a much stronger argument.

That is simply a fact via that argument giving more causative explanation.

Yes but no one with an IQ over 100 would accept such a handwavy abracadabra explanation.

Also it does matter if racism creates it because that moots your entire argument.

Gang culture. Does not matter how it was created, but it's the only thing you care about. You actually believe it persist because of racism, not because of its own unique characteristics that has nothing to do with racism. I talk about any of those characteristics, you will 100% of the time take the conversation back to racism. You've admitted that you do this, and it's the right thing to do.

I know it persists because of racism.

Im not mindwashed enough to be able to deny an obvious reality.

So I'm curious about mapping everything to racism. How would that work for the high teen pregnancy rates for blacks relative to whites?

Yes, because they have to do with racism. That's... the point...

This is the last 100 posts,

itshot: there are things that effect black people negatively that have nothing to do with racism

someone else: *challenges you to name a thing*

itshot: 'NO! you're just going to show me how it has to do with racism'

or

itshot: Instead of making a counter-argument, 'See! I knew you would make it about racism'

What is hilarious is ICIV deciding to make an example of probably the most clear and obvious racially determined element of black culture.

Its almost like disadvantaged social and economic conditions make you more likely to join a gang.

White middle class kids would join a gang, but culture.

First map against income. You will see that lower income groups have more teen pregnancy.

Now look at racial distribution in those income groups.

Gonna remember this thread the next time itslyinginvegas lies that he only has problems with a small number of posters. Dude went full "me against the world" and his lesson from this, where absolutely no one agreed with him and no fellow conservatives joined his side, was "well I guess I'm the only reasonable person here" lololol

Here is what the left is arguing:

Before I continue, does anyone disagree with this?

You had me up until "all these could be cured." Simply ending racism alone, if that truly happened in this hypothetical, would likely result in it taking several generations for those issues to equalize with white people, given the massive wealth disparity that exists right now.

Doesn't really make much sense though - low income causing theft and other crimes - makes some sense from an economic perspective - but why would low income cause teen pregnancies? The opposite makes more sense.