I don't trust 'the media' and that's why I listen to benshapiro and rush and drudge and a massive list of others

If Rs don't like/trust the media--then why are there so many conservative talking heads??

Probably a question you should ask one of them.

no that doesnt particularly follow. even if we allow that the libs are more educated and more prone to believing the main stream media (which I agree with sure) it doesnt make them any more prone to propaganda than the conservatives. it only shows them more amenable to propaganda in the form of the type presented by the main stream media.

for instance, I dont need a graph and a study to show that conservatives are esp prone to chain email propaganda.

Fair enough. Sort of reminds me of the discussion I had with the 7 year old last night where we talked about the difference between lies and propaganda.
But sure--propaganda takes various forms and msm is only one of those.

I think it's back to definitions of what the media is. Just define your little ecosystem as not-media--and well, you know what we mean lol. But no rational person would exclude all those guys from the defn imo anyway.

There's something inherently fishy with the traditional party of capital(obv those lines have blurred some over the years) proudly waving the banner of 'uneducated'--and it rarely describes any of the actual leaders etc. Guys with Ivy League degrees advocating against education almost seems like it could be one of them conspiracies

Liberals answered: Do you trust the media?

Conservatives answered: Do you trust the (drive-by) media?

ww is right: It's a matter of definition of terms. Shockingly, the educated (are more likely to) use the term correctly.

Yeah, I mean conservatives are highly skeptical of the CDC or the NSF....but totally trust Donald Trump! There is a reason why totalitarian regimes, whether on the left or on the right, purge academia.

Liberals are not really more educated. Most highly educated people tend to be liberals, but right now especially, dems likely lead in number of HS dropouts, college grads and advanced degree holders. In other words, Dems are winning the generic ballot by 8 points. Diversity in race, education, age, location etc are actually a great way to avoid many types of propaganda.

+1

All right than what better tools is there , beside education , to arm yourself to be able to discern lies and propaganda?

Of course anyone can be wrong , but I’m convinced an educated person will mostly be right and harder to deceived than done who doesn’t have basic school education .

And if you agree with that , saying educated people believe more bullshit is totally wrong because you compare them to who else if not to the person with less education ?????

It’s been showed countless time during history that hiding people how to learn how to read and write is the best way to control them ...

There isn't a better tool than education. The issue isn't that education is a problem. The problem is the quality of the education.

Luckbox, develop your wisdom to see beyond this stuff. ur offbeat views are still views. That is what u dont understand. U may catch a glimpse of beyond good and evil. But achieving insight that sees, doesnt think, but sees, that attachment to views, no matter how special they make u feel (you and ur conspiracies) or how right they make u feel (me and...well i am right, logically, what can i say about my views they are the best views) when u go beyond attachment to views, and beyond that...well maybe, just maybe, salvation will come your way. it came my way.

Anatta GOAT. Never stop posting. There is a conspiracy guy I watch on youtube (subtle infinity) who makes some of those same points. I'll post a video of his in the media thread.

It's an argument about as old as quasi-philosophy and rhetoric.

It starts like this:
"You can't be certain of anything."

Then it rambles on for a bit in whatever intellectual excuse is in fashion.

And then it ends with:
"and therefore I am undoubtedly correct in stating that X is true".

That's not anything at all like what this discussion has been.

"The Left has gone off the rails", and "antifa is something we should be worried about" were JV's two biggest pet causes.

These two propaganda pushes seem really important for whatever the far-right is trying to do.

Nevermind that 20 years ago there were pro-choice republicans, republicans for gun control, republicans for amnesty for undocumented immigrants (Reagan, Bush I and II), log cabin (gay) republicans, atheist republicans. Nevermind that in 1994 Republicans basically proposed Romneycare as a counter-proposal to Hillarycare, but now they disown it. McCain called out a supporter for saying Obama was a secret Muslim and it crushed him. Trump made his bones by pretending Obama didn't have a valid birth certificate.

But yeah - Democrats don't want to lock as many kids in cages. Obama deported more people than any president in history. Democrats droned the **** out of the middle east. Dems can't even get behind UHC any more, when in 1994 that was the party platform. Clearly going off the rails to the left.

Always just shoot for the edgy middle, the Rogan-bro third way. It is a law of nature that both sides will always be equally full of ****, mannnnn. No need to really think critically about it or look at actual issues or positions.

That is the Antifa position iirc. Obama and McConnell are basically the same.

Because that's the growing dichotomy

If you are solely interested in UHC and your choice is Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Biden for the past few decades, then at some point you have to wonder wtf is the point of voting for D even if you view D > R

Biden literally said he'd veto M4A

wtf am I supposed to do with that? Vote for him? **** him! **** the whole system! And that's why you get the both siders. Some people do arrive there without being disciples of Rogan or devoid of critical thinking...

I know the angry bro Bernie bro voting for Trump bc I'm mad bro is a thing, but it is actually an argument that isn't unreasonable, even if it is immature. If you really want to blow up the system, what better dynamite than Trump? Voting 3rd party is clearly an exercise in futility. What other options are there? Vote for Biden and get nothing you want for 4, maybe 8 years? We're never going to get UHC in our lifetimes

If this race war porn by Amazon Prime doesn't make you hard then you're just a centrist.

It's not unreasonable from a political perspective and not even uncommon I suspect (there are some historical examples, but they are loaded to the point of unfairness). The far left might reserve their biggest ideological clashes for the far right (with an attack on a peaceful assembly to get his picture taken, I'll take the liberty of classifying Trump as far right), but that often pales in comparison to how much they despise the center.

And of course anger is powerful motivator towards certain candidates. You would be in a long line of people if you vote for Trump out of anger, including a motivation to ruin the system. For someone on the fringe, the other fringe opposes them over disagreement, but the center seemingly opposes them out of complacency. That can probably be more infuriating.

Don't take my post as condescending or me telling you how to vote. I rarely (if ever) tell people how to vote. Besides the US isn't my country and it would feel extremely unethical to tell a citizen from another country how to vote.

extremely unethical

In the fictional universe of the OPs head, the new left is going too far out. In the real world John Bolton is voting for a democrat for President.

Why wouldn't John Bolton vote for a dem? Dems still like blowing up brown people right?
Plus it isn't like Biden is "the new left".