The post I was replying to framed S&F as a mayoral directive to harass black people.

On re-read you may be correct.

"CONCLUSION 4-9 Evaluations of focused uses of stop, question, and frisk (SQF) (combined with other self-initiated enforcement activities by officers), targeting places with violence or serious gun crimes and focusing on high-risk repeat offenders, consistently report short-term crime-reduction effects; jurisdictional impacts, when estimated, are modest. There is an absence of evidence on the long-term impacts of focused uses of SQF on crime."

It states in combination with other proactive policing. Although, one could argue it is then impossible to isolate the effects of S&F if they are always done in tandem with other proactive policing efforts.

I think my main gripes are the new catch and release policies in combination with a proposed (now just confirmed today by De Blasio, actually) drastic reduction in police force size. Hence the rant.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.

theres really no reason to discuss anything with people like you.

This is exactly why mobs of woke 20 somethings who are all '**** the police' because they got arrested for marijuana possession at 15 shouldn't be forcing politicians into major policy decisions.

FWIW, if you mean Wookie's post then I read it differently. He doesn't mention intent, only that it was a mayoral directive that suffered from disproportionate impact.

“Because this is so very much a TWA (3rd wave antiracism) moment and because its perspective has been creeping into the fabric of educated American society over several years, we are becoming desensitized to how ancillary to civic progress is this peculiar, furious, and fantastical indoctrination.

We seek sociopolitical change, yet we find on the vanguards a contingent who have founded a new religion. They insist hotly that they "really are right," because racism is bad, isn't it?

Indeed it is. But it is also bad for increasing numbers of Americans, out of fear for their social acceptance in wider society, pretend to subscribe to the semi-coherent tenets of an anti-empirical faith feigning higher wisdom with big words and manipulative phraseology.

They see themselves as the heirs of bygone heroes who would actually have been sickened by them. Progressive Americans' task is not to learn charismatic but purposeless self-flagellational routines, but to fight injustices with sense and logic. Only TWA adherents think the two are the same.“

https://reason.com/2020/06/29/kneeli...ocial-justice/
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If the Right suffers from stupidity and racism, the left suffers from arrogance and self-righteousness. Conservatives that complain of deplatforming kind of have a point. In the new 'Lefty' political climate if you don't agree with my views 100% you are shouted down by the mob or 'canceled.' I feel we've come full circle to the point where the Liberals are now the ones shutting down all discourse, which is frightening.

Case in point the attitude of ol' Victor here and those like him. Case in point Conservative posters being routinely banned in the past from this forum and accused of trolling for expressing their viewpoints.

Victor has not shouted down or canceled anyone, and there is no shortage of trolling conservative droolers in this forum.

I said the attitude he just displayed is what I am referring to coming out of the left these days, re the stifling of civil discourse:

Also, as long as people are arguing in good faith, I wouldn't classify them as trolls. There is a certain condescension in calling people stupid (deserved or not) for holding opinions contrary to yourself, which is what I was referring to by the "arrogance" coming out of the left these days.

i mean. i'm a criminal attorney in my 30's and i would have the same response. it had a massively racist outcome and you cant even seem to show was effective at what it was trying to do.


to your other point, dismissing dumb and racist ideas/thoughts isn't "canceling" conservatives, its just deciding not to play into the karl rove playbook through spending double to triple the amount of time combating stupid/racist ideas as it takes to push them out.

You may agree with them, but my point in that post you quote is that the mob is imposing their views on others by force. Were you camped outside City Hall for the past 2 weeks dictating terms? Why is this subset of the population entitled to have their political views pushed upon everyone else who may or may not agree?

Also, below is what I am referring to, not **** like overtly racist white nationalist garbage. Saying all Conservative viewpoints are stupid/racist garbage is dismissive and intellectually lazy.

San Diego PD shoot a man who pulls on gun on them.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-ne...town-san-diego

A protester mob forms to demand "justice" for him because the police shouldn't have shot him, but subdued him by other means (lol?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvqR7en9S30

At around the 4:45 timestamp a man argues with protestors and sides with the police saying what the protestors are doing is not right, etc. As soon as the man walks out of sight of the police line, he is assaulted by the mob while protestors scream "stop recording" (the irony there is palpable). It's just pure idiocy at its finest. There is just zero room given for nuance now. You either agree with the mob that ALL those experiencing force at the hands of police are victims, or you are a racist who's views are invalid.

no they mean literally disbanding the police, let by AOC and the new left

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ale...funding-police

That article does a pretty solid job of rebutting your claim that "they mean literally disbanding the police, let [sic] by AOC and the new left", since it doesn't talk about disbanding police at all!

Pretty weird quote talking about budget nuances from someone who wants to "literally disband police" lol

Donald Trump is the king of cancel culture; No other politician has spent more time trying to cancel those who offend him

Ouch

They wouldn't feel the need to dictate terms if they hadn't been ignored for basically their entire lives

Look, there is a rise of problematic thinking, yes. But something caused that

They didn't just arrive there on their own volition. You think cancel culture or mob rule came to be because people suddenly got mad? No. Social media has expanded reach and these protests and all that comes with it is a reflection of that. Ferguson is the same reflection, social media was not as prevalent. The LA riots only happened in LA for a reason...

As for arrogance, well, yeah, perhaps the Hillary Clintonesque hubris or coastal elitism is problematic, but it kind of pales in comparison to, oh, I dunno, Stephen Miller and the vast majority of conservative blocs of voters who talk about other people like they're second class citizens and/or deserve to die no matter what the rap sheet says, if it exists at all...

Arrogance is continuing to argue in bad faith, indifferently and insufferably, endlessly. How is it possible to have an honest conversation with President Trump? You can't. It is not possible to have one when the other side is either monumentally ignorant or deliberately obtuse at every turn. There is no conversation at that point. That is what cancel culture is borne out of. I've said before it's a mixed bag imo, but if you don't want cancel culture, then stop pretending the POTUS belongs in office despite the accusations of what, a few dozen women? If one is going to defend the indefensible, then they're just gonna get a big **** you. Ain't nobody got time for that...

lol

I don't disagree with any of this. However, I still don't feel that gives people a right to impose their political views on others by force. There is a definite sense from the cities that they need to placate these people or they will just continue to create chaos on the streets. The City authorities can't impose order by force, or they will be viewed as the 'fascists' endorsing Trump and a police state. Cities are in a tough spot here and the mob is taking advantage.

Again, I don't disagree with most of this. However 'the right did it first' doesn't justify the very same obnoxious behavior, in my opinion. I would probably agree with the claim that the 'vast majority' of GOP politicians know better and are being disingenuous on many issues, mostly as a consequence of their special interest pandering, however I would stop short of agreeing that the vast majority of GOP voters are the same.

The average GOP voter is lower education and a low information voter. They also like to get their news from conservative media outlets, so their views on the world will be vastly different than yours. That doesn't mean necessarily that they are arguing in bad faith or being deliberately obtuse in order to hide their racism.

barely.. although it did show an uplifting trend that the urban areas of Oklahoma are beginning to have the numbers to out vote the rural backwards ass racists living in rural oklahoma. it passed in like 7 of the 77 counties and still had the votes to succeed.

WOKE MOB CANCEL CULTURE IS oh wait

I did not know much about this guy until you shared that, and turns out, I say things he presented years ago.

the only thing the right has is to whine about being called racism. no matter that I almost never go for that. its just the go-to move of the snowflake right. wah wah I am being canceled.

and it would take a world champion gymnast to contort my statement to fit that.

and thats why there is no reason to discuss anything with you people. you are scumbags that will do anything to hurt others. there is only one way to deal with people like you and its full on defeat. its not discussion. its not bipartisan solutions. its using the political tools available to stop your agenda of oppression and exploitation and hate.

and remember, its your side that is using violence to lock people up for years, to beat and kill people, to steal resources at every opportunity.

being criticized for bootlicking on the internet is not being canceled. getting locked up for 10 years for throwing a water bottle is. getting choked to death is. getting injected with ketamine and overdosed is.

heres the thing tho. you dont have to support that stuff. you can decide not to be a bootlicking pos. its really not hard.

Besides complaining about being called racist, there's also the go-to move of inventing how many things they're not allowed to say anymore



Related: writing columns about how silenced conservative voices are (which are then published in nationally distributed newspapers)

The American Way--Bend/break the rules like crazy as much as you can. And don't get caught. Sprinkle in a little trash talk about the other rule breakers to make it look good

Sounds like something straight out of Herbert Marcuse's theory of Repressive Tolerance.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-...sive-tolerance