Same in North Korea

Neither the male nor female leaders care much if young men live or die.

Politicians like Hillary Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Gandhi weren't exactly known for avoiding military conflict.

As Guywhogoestogym alluded, in pretty much every species of mammal female lives are intrinsically valued higher than male lives. This is simple Evolutionary Biology 101. Big non-motile gametes of very limited supply are much more valuable than small, motile gametes of limitless supply. And on top of this the female body is the literal incubator for the first, most fragile, stage of genetic survival to the next generation.

I think it would take a tremendous amount of social conditioning to get to a point where a human society didn't intrinsically value female life over male life, and if we ever did get there the society itself would probably be dysfunctional. It is perfectly fine and natural that male **** sapiens (like pretty much every other species) generally live shorter, more violent, more brutal lives. And I dont think anyone should feel bad about that.

We can of course work to improve the human condition overall for everyone. But like most of the "equity" push, I think it would be a bad idea to overly mess around with something so biologically fundamental.

I should make a distinction that female life is what is intrinsically more important, not female "freedom." Obviously through history many human societies have put much more restrictions on female behavior than males, ironically because they are so intrinsically valuable.

For example, in most historical societies females have been prohibited from going to war/battle, even if they wanted to.

It’s not female life, it’s the unique female ability to create life. Such is the crux of the issue.

You aren’t born in god’s image. You’re born in ours.

Well, females cant really create new life without being alive themselves, so it is a distinction without a difference.

crossnerd, what percentage of posters here at 2p2 that everyone is assuming are men are actually women?

The distinction matters because men don’t value women’s lives- they value the utility of women’s lives. There’s a big difference.

Well, it isn't really a competition.

And the fact that in pretty much every "progressive" society where traditional gender norms are being challenged, fertility is well below replacement level (and traditional societies the exact opposite); this empirically seems to support the idea that "The Patriarchy" and traditional gender roles/stereotypes had some positive selective utility (at least insofar as gene survival).

It probably isn't an accident that God is generally perceived as a male; as conservative, patriarchal societies have been the ones who outcompeted and survived and got to decide what God looked like (and not surprisingly patriarchs generally decided he looked like them).

Not sure why I’m even engaging with this. I just wanted to laugh at the pathetic OP. Carry on, gentlemen and amateur evolutionary biologists. Fighting for your lives in here together Lmao. May you all soon crack the code!

i think you misunderstood this - there's no camaraderie with op and pretty much everyone disagrees with him

I certainly wouldn't say men are oppressed, but I agree that men's lives are definitely treated as having less value, at least for men who do not have vast wealth or political power.

Well you agreed that the people who start wars are not the ones who fight them. So the ones fighting them can complain because they didn’t start them. Even tho you said men start wars and then complain when they have to fight them; which we both agreed isn’t true.
My distinction
I’m sorry do you think everyone in the military fights?

Yes distinction is important. Like the difference between those that start wars and those that fight them.


Infantry and combat arms fight wars. Not support jobs. They support the fighters. And everyone supports the infantry

I don’t think you’re allowed to enlist in the military if you score less than approx 80 iq, so you really shouldn’t worry about it so much…

Got em!

I feel another IQ challenge coming on. Beware, CN, he's a slow payer.

Definitely some odd ducks in here. Also lack of fish pics… I need those fish updates.

Here ya go.

Men are generally shallow. The more females we obtain the higher our social standing is perceptually amongst other males and females.


Those are the rules, we didn't make the rules.

Lol, men are more susceptible to acts of total mental ******ation, that is why more of them are incarcerated, homeless, and higher chances of suicide. Men do more drugs and are definitely more alcoholic. Most of the gamblers in the casino are male.

Men also started all these stupid wars.


Men also control like most of the money in the world.

Then why did yall make us men so damn stupid?

This thread needed some pizzazz

If you don’t think women are smarter than men…. Then they have fooled you

A large number of small, motile gametes versus a limited number of large, non motile gametes. Once you can grasp this reality and the predicable ramifications of this binary system, everything else kind of falls into place and makes sense. And this is certainly nothing unique to H0mo Sapiens. Most sexually reproducing mammalian species follow similar patterns.