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I believe men to be the oppressed in American society. I believe men to be the oppressed in American society.

12-01-2023 , 02:26 AM
I don’t find guys that think girls are promiscuous to be charming
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12-01-2023 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
I was completely racked with social anxiety when I was a young guy. Nowadays, speaking publicly is part of my living. This is 100% something that can be developed, and probably the easiest out of the four to improve quickly (looks, status, money, charisma).
this 100%

i was never mr popular but also never an outcast or anything, if i were to be cast in a teen movie i'd be one of the minor hype men on who hung out with the cool group but didn't have a speaking role


i had no idea how to talk to girls, had zero confidence with them etc etc, it wasn't really until the end of college that i began to figure things out

it took a lot of time and work and it's something i honestly didn't really stop developing until my 30s

it's a constant journey, step one in college is you learn to just go up and talk to them, step 2 is be confident enough to assume success because if you don't then you'll never succeed, step 3 - several years later was learning not to have the conversation topic be something like "what's your favorite item on the wendy's value menu" and step 5 was finally learning how to dress well

even today i wear a collared shirt and often have a blazer on even for casual stuff it makes a marked difference in the way people interact with you - the version of me in step 1 through 3 would have been too insecure to wear a blazer because i would be worried i'd get poked fun at and not thinking about all the blowjobs i'll be collecting in additional to a random comment from someone drinking budlight in a wifebeater at the corner of the room who i shouldn't care about because he's probably the op of this thread
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12-01-2023 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
this 100%

i was never mr popular but also never an outcast or anything, if i were to be cast in a teen movie i'd be one of the minor hype men on who hung out with the cool group but didn't have a speaking role


i had no idea how to talk to girls, had zero confidence with them etc etc, it wasn't really until the end of college that i began to figure things out

it took a lot of time and work and it's something i honestly didn't really stop developing until my 30s

it's a constant journey, step one in college is you learn to just go up and talk to them, step 2 is be confident enough to assume success because if you don't then you'll never succeed, step 3 - several years later was learning not to have the conversation topic be something like "what's your favorite item on the wendy's value menu" and step 5 was finally learning how to dress well

even today i wear a collared shirt and often have a blazer on even for casual stuff it makes a marked difference in the way people interact with you - the version of me in step 1 through 3 would have been too insecure to wear a blazer because i would be worried i'd get poked fun at and not thinking about all the blowjobs i'll be collecting in additional to a random comment from someone drinking budlight in a wifebeater at the corner of the room who i shouldn't care about because he's probably the op of this thread
I prob dress better than you, sincerely
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12-01-2023 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I prob dress better than you, sincerely
congrats on overcoming your shackles of oppression, sincerely
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01-02-2024 , 02:37 PM


"The Testosterone Myth

We should not just be asking ourselves why men are more violent, but why women are less violent. For one, it’s probably not because of testosterone."

LOL.
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01-02-2024 , 02:44 PM
Violence is a social construct.
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01-02-2024 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Violence is a social construct.
On this topic, I watch a lot of nature stuff and it is actually pretty eye opening how in animals that one wouldn't think would be particularly equipped or predisposed towards violence, how insanely violent males are with each other when fighting over mates or territory/resources.

I recently watched a penguin fight over a female that was pretty wild just how violent it was, given it is hard to imagine penguins being violent the way they are shaped and move. This is an oldie, but I remember watching another fight between male deer where one deer somehow decapitated the other and had the dead deer head stuck in his own antlers afterward.
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01-02-2024 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
On this topic, I watch a lot of nature stuff and it is actually pretty eye opening how in animals that one wouldn't think would be particularly equipped or predisposed towards violence, how insanely violent males are with each other when fighting over mates or territory/resources.

I recently watched a penguin fight over a female that was pretty wild just how violent it was, given it is hard to imagine penguins being violent the way they are shaped and move. This is an oldie, but I remember watching another fight between male deer where one deer somehow decapitated the other and had the dead deer head stuck in his own antlers afterward.
Wild, man. Animals, all of them.
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01-02-2024 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I am wondering if violence against women in the western world is a result of opression and frustration from men...
Let’s focus on frustration first. Frustration arises in response to a rejection / hostility toward your desires. The level of frustration you will feel is associated with the amount of entitlement you identify with. The amount of entitlement you identify with is associated with how you view the self.

Is the self just another being of this world? If so, why should you feel any sense of entitlement to what you want? Does the self have a soul with entitlements and promises written on it? If so, you will feel high amounts of both entitlement and frustration. You can observe your emotions and determine how you view your self.

A high sense of entitlement and repeated frustrations will result in a desire for justice and a view of the world as unjust. To pursue justice is highly meaningful, but this meaning will only sustain if you make real progress, and in order to make real progress in the pursuit of justice, you will have to go way beyond your comfort zone. There is a reason why only superheroes can actually bring about justice in the movies.

The socialized self will never make real progress in the pursuit of justice. The core agreement of socialization is the giving up of the desire for justice in exchange for security and comfort in the short to mid term. The self which is capable of attaining justice has been psychologically oppressed for as long as you have been operating from the socialized self.

In conclusion, feelings of frustration, oppression, and injustice are deeply real. But understand the game you are participating in, and if you are going to play, either play to win or don’t bother at all.
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01-02-2024 , 04:52 PM
Craig, what does the big man upstairs have to say about all this?
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01-02-2024 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Craig, what does the big man upstairs have to say about all this?
The tyrant always argues against the least charitable framing of the opposition’s views.
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01-02-2024 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
The tyrant always argues against the least charitable framing of the opposition’s views.
Wat
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01-02-2024 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Wat
You are not a serious person.
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01-02-2024 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
You are not a serious person.
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01-02-2024 , 05:32 PM
I wasn’t planning to, but maybe now I will stick around this subforum a bit longer.
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01-02-2024 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
Let’s focus on frustration first. Frustration arises in response to a rejection / hostility toward your desires. The level of frustration you will feel is associated with the amount of entitlement you identify with. The amount of entitlement you identify with is associated with how you view the self.

Is the self just another being of this world? If so, why should you feel any sense of entitlement to what you want? Does the self have a soul with entitlements and promises written on it? If so, you will feel high amounts of both entitlement and frustration. You can observe your emotions and determine how you view your self.

A high sense of entitlement and repeated frustrations will result in a desire for justice and a view of the world as unjust. To pursue justice is highly meaningful, but this meaning will only sustain if you make real progress, and in order to make real progress in the pursuit of justice, you will have to go way beyond your comfort zone. There is a reason why only superheroes can actually bring about justice in the movies.

The socialized self will never make real progress in the pursuit of justice. The core agreement of socialization is the giving up of the desire for justice in exchange for security and comfort in the short to mid term. The self which is capable of attaining justice has been psychologically oppressed for as long as you have been operating from the socialized self.

In conclusion, feelings of frustration, oppression, and injustice are deeply real. But understand the game you are participating in, and if you are going to play, either play to win or don’t bother at all.
Do the male deer feel entitled
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01-02-2024 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Do the male deer feel entitled
I don’t care.
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01-02-2024 , 05:41 PM
Then why write 5 Paragraphs
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01-02-2024 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Then why write 5 Paragraphs
I’ll clarify - I don’t care to map out the minds of male deer.
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01-02-2024 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
I’ll clarify - I don’t care to map out the minds of male deer.
You don’t have to. You just have to answer if you think that deer feel entitled
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01-02-2024 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
I wasn’t planning to, but maybe now I will stick around this subforum a bit longer.
What have we done to deserve this???
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01-02-2024 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
You don’t have to. You just have to answer if you think that deer feel entitled
That’s the point. I don’t have thoughts about male deer because I don’t care about them enough to have thoughts.

Is this thread about male deer? What am I missing?
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01-02-2024 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
That’s the point. I don’t have thoughts about male deer because I don’t care about them enough to have thoughts.

Is this thread about male deer? What am I missing?
You are missing the obvious response to his question - "no ideer".
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01-02-2024 , 07:06 PM
I think men feel frustrated when they don’t get laid due to physical reasons in addition to mental reasons. I don’t think the minimum physical reasons are dependent on their levels of entitlement
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01-02-2024 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I think men feel frustrated when they donÂ’t get laid due to physical reasons in addition to mental reasons. I donÂ’t think the minimum physical reasons are dependent on their levels of entitlement
I’m not denying the underlying, animalistic drives. The story of the soul is set on top (exaptation) of the more animalistic story. If you want to fulfill deeper desires, then you have to navigate through the deeper story.

Do you not think you have deeper desires than getting laid as much as possible?
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