he didnt say a very very ugly rich woman. He said a woman that is not fortunate enough to be pretty.

He is saying a normal looking girl has FAR LESS options than a normal looking guy , given same looks and same wealth

this is clearly false, I question if you have ever engaged in any dating

this isn't true though - i know a number of very unattractive women who married very good looking men from much poorer families

there's been a few woman over the years who've shown interest in me and I seriously considered just working around the fact that i wasn't attracted to her simply because it would mean my children would grow up wealthy

Same

I'm sure I'll get made fun of for this, but I seriously recommend checking out Teal Swan's stuff: https://www.youtube.com/@TealSwanOfficial. She explains the dynamics between men and women in a way that makes sense and is helpful (at least to me).

I don't think he wanted you to have to finance the hookers.

I don’t need or want the govt to pay for me to get laid

Maybe not, but you have said in the past that the government should pay women to have sex with men.

Yes ofc. I care about the mental health of incels.

But I never said pay for mine or anything like that. I am not an incel


I could be wrong. Feel free to read every post I’ve made

Thanks chatGPT:


ChatGPT
The term "incel" is a portmanteau of "involuntary celibate." It refers to an online subculture of individuals, primarily men, who claim to be unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. Incel communities have gained attention for the often misogynistic and negative views expressed by some members. It's important to note that not everyone who identifies as incel holds extreme views, and the term itself doesn't necessarily imply harmful beliefs. However, the online incel subculture has been associated with certain instances of violence and extremism, prompting concerns and discussions about the social dynamics and mental health issues involved.

PW might be onto something. If Biden can print off a few billion and get these losers an annual hook, we might make the progress on mental health that this country deserves!

Don't even try to pretend you knew what "portmanteau" means. Doubt they teach that at Trump U.

What’s that even mean

Yup you are right, misread it the first time. I don't understand this either. Back before I was married some of my dates showed me their matches and they literally had hundreds of messages from guys. I had like 2-3 a month and I felt I was more successful than most. Average women clearly have far more options and it is not even close.

Women live in another world.

You people seriously misunderstand even the basics of dating dynamics. There are many reasons that the average woman will get more messages than the average man on a dating app, and they should be obvious to anybody (besides PW, obviously).

1. There is an expectation in society that men be the initiator in dating. Men ask women out. Men make the date plans. Men ask women to marry them. If a woman is the one initiating a message on a dating app, it is widely considered weird. A woman may lay things on real thick when indicating interest, but they are not typically the one suggesting a first date or otherwise making a first move.

2. Men and women have different priorities in dating. Men don't have any need to be selective in dating. A man that has sex with 1000 women is seen as a big success; it takes a whole lot of work, talent, and attractiveness for a man to get there. A women that has sex with 1000 men is almost certainly a prostitute. A promiscuous woman is considered a slut and a loser.

This is not just for cultural reasons, but there are innate reasons in all humans that makes them think along these lines. Men can have sex with anybody and everybody with little consequence. Men can screw around for all of their 20s and 30s and somehow still land a high quality woman in their forties. On the other hand, women will eventually get pregnant, which results in their dating value immediately plummeting. A woman does not have the luxury of landing a top guy in her forties, as not only does her beauty fade significantly by that point, but her chances of having a healthy baby at that age are practically zero, which means that women have less incentive to screw around casually, as they have a time-limit in the dating world.

There are other reasons at play with this subsection, but you hopefully get the point. Men don't need to be selective at all. If anything, a man is preprogrammed to have sex with as many women as possible. Women are preprogrammed to be more selective. That does not mean that women have more options.

3. The way dating apps work encourage men to message every woman. Because of those two reasons above, men essentially just spam out messages or swipes to all but the least attractive women. That leads to women having a huge number of messages that they cannot even read.


You can interpret the above to mean that women "have more options." I don't think so. In my mind, it means that women have to constantly have their guard up and weed out dweebs that are shooting too high or actually attractive dudes that are just trying to bang them and disappear forever. Those two groups comprise over 90% (maybe 99%) of dudes on dating apps.

Back to my original point: a woman is valued almost exclusively for her looks. A man is valued for not only his looks, but also his charisma, status, and wealth. A woman that is a 2 on the 10-scale is not going to be able to score a high quality man. On the other hand, a short obese dude can absolutely score a 10 if he has all the other things working for him. Furthermore, a beautiful 22 year old woman is going to get all the attention in the world, but at 42 nobody will know she exists, which is the complete opposite for men. If you feel that this setup is oppressive to men, I am not sure what else to tell you except that you need to grow up. The deck is stacked so hard to our advantage that this should not even be a discussion.

^^@BestOf

only idiots think promiscuous women is a thing and only insecure people think "promiscuous women" are sluts and losers.

men that sleep with 1k women are labeled as having problems, not being successful. even other men will think this is a problem.


its funny that you think men in their 40s can get high value women without much effort. This is wrong. Same goes for ugly rich guys; you will not get a good girl that loves you and wants to be with you. You will get a partner that loves your money and your status, and they will divorce you to get more of your assets.

lastly, men value women because they can produce babies and continue the mans lineage....telling that this fact just went right over your head.

there are lots of beautiful 42 year old women, and they get lots of attention. they just arent white women



in summation

"You can interpret the above to mean that women "have more options." I don't think so."


youre wrong

dear mods, can we relabel this thread "incel starter pack"

I think the current thread title pretty much says that already.

Clearly I had forgotten for a few minutes that the OP of this genius thread was a mouth-breather and troll. Literally every line of your reply is pure idiocy.

How progressive. Unfortunately, the world doesn't agree with you, so it doesn't matter what you think.

Again, it must be nice to be living in your deranged bubble, but this isn't true. Wilt Chamberlain's biggest claim to fame is that he banged something like 20,000 women. People idolize him for this. Which men are the ones that are most often seen as having problems? Incels that don't have sex.

Here is a nice example of you just making **** up, as I never said that men in their forties, or anybody, can get high value women without much effort. I said that men don't have the time-limit on dating that women have, so they can mess around in their 20s and 30s and still land a high quality woman in their 40s. I realize you are still in school, but at least try to understand the things you are responding to before typing out nonsense.

Misogynistic idiocy and a fundamental misunderstanding of how people work. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you are right (you aren't): how is that any different than a man that only values a woman for her looks, and divorces that woman once he gets the attention of a younger, prettier woman?

Successful men are attractive to women the same way a fit 22 year old woman is attractive to a man. Is this that complicated?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here or how it follows from anything I posted. I posted several times that women's dating value is more time-limited because they are less able to have healthy babies as they get older, so I am not even sure what is supposed to be going over my head here.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make except to signal that you are some sort of racist. Are you trying to say that a Mexican or Chinese 42 year woman has the same or better prospects than a 22 year old Mexican or Chinese woman? Is there some ethnicity where women in their forties are held to be preferable than their younger counterparts? Please, let us know about this magical place where older women are given all of this attention, as I know that modern science would love to study it.



PW, I don't really expect somebody with the mentality of a seventeen year old to understand how basic social interactions between men and women work. Still, and I am not sure why I have these lofty expectations, but I don't expect people that cannot grasp life-basics to be posting incel-nonsense on a message board that is populated almost exclusively by middle-aged men that mostly know better. Why don't you take this crap to Reddit? I am sure you will garner quite a following there from other teenagers and incels.

Bro your first counter argument was that the world doesn’t agree with me so I’m wrong.

That’s hilarious

Do you make other arguments in the same fashion?

Your second rebuttal uses wilt chamberlain, one of the most famous athletes of all time as an example that numbers don’t matter to society.

Again, laughable !!!


Your Third rebuttal:

How is a man , dating a woman for her physical body, any different than a woman dating a man for his money?

Why do you feel the need to post before you actually complete your thoughts? This isn't a race, is it? You don't have you compulsively post then edit in your actual point.

More fun this way

Maybe if you have charisma, status, and wealth.

Those things can be learnt or earnt. Youth and looks can't.