I am wondering if violence against women in the western world is a result of opression and frustration from men who are not treated with respect but are made to work much harder and more difficult jobs than anyone else.


I have been considering the number of men incarcerated(and for how long), I think of the number of men killed in wars and I think about the number of men who are homeless(compared to women) and lastly I think about male suicide rates (due to lack of perceived value by society)


I am not saying the violence against women is acceptable or should be tolerated.

I am saying let’s look at how society treats men and women and let’s see if it’s fair.

Feminism is equality for the sexes. Let’s talk about the inequalities men face

Not sure how to quantify the abuses women face from men and vice versa

I think we need a compilation of OP's musings on life, the universe and everything. Some of these are real gems.

Let’s attack arguments and not people. Ad hominems are a waste of time.

Just who are men working harder than?

Admittedly this isn’t originally my argument , but I still think it’s good to debate.
If you look at dangerous jobs, or shitty jobs, the vast majority are done by men. It’s also way easier to get a job as a woman, although you won’t make as much as a man overall, as far as I know. Not sure what the median amount is, the average diff has got to be skewed due to the rich.

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t these jobs mostly men

Military fighting jobs
Electrician, plumber, maintenance
Exterminator/pest control
Police
Firefighter
Construction worker


Now a lot of these jobs aren’t available to women but I don’t think that’s the main reason there are a low amount of women in these positions

We can also look at jail sentences and accountability in society, and I think men are on the losing end of those sticks as well

Are you serious, PW?

I’m open to discussion. I think it should be discussed. I’m sure there’s an 80% chance I am wrong

Odds are much higher than 80% imo.

one of my buddies that occasionally will get "red-pilled" by some stupid social media things said something similar to this. and i responded "have you ever felt the need to tell me or one of your other friends where you were going on a first date in case you dont make it home safely?"..

Yea I agree we can just say I’m wrong and it’s a bad argument.

It’s a Jordan Peterson trope

That decline in status is real as opposed to perceived, but I see it more as how low-status whites in the South lost status to AAs as their status began to rise after emancipation. The difference is the economic shifts in the workforce instead of societal-imposed limitations. Basically, the diminishing economic emphasis on manual labor has resulted in a shift that led to a decline in status for men whose skills were predominantly rooted in physical tasks and vice-versa. We see that intra-gender as well with men. But it's hard to say that's leading to violence against women since, for the entirety of human existence, violence against women or the threat of it was the norm, not the exception.

What violence against women? Sure there is some violence against women, but there is much, much, more violence against men. The MAJORITY of violent crimes are commented against men.

If you compare men attacking women to women attacking men, isn’t it far more women are killed than men are?

When the oppressed achieve less oppression, let alone equality, the oppressors start to think they're the real victims. Men are just as much the victims of toxic masculinity.

The race of Men is failing. The blood of Númenor is all but spent, its pride and dignity forgotten.

I think men suffer from other men fighting over women quite a bit

Who exactly is oppressing men?

It's certainly true to say that men are highly oppressed in our society.

It's just also true to say that, while the oppression women face is different, it's worse.

Better* men, mostly.

*stronger, smarter, richer, more powerful, etc

Men are better off now than they were 50 years ago. Improved working conditions, better Healthcare, a lower % of serving the military and Viagra.

Millenials and GenZrs have lower testosterone than their counterparts because of an increased sedentary internet lifestyle that causes anxiety and hopelessness that leads men to act like a bunch of giant spoiled pussies all the time.

Their fathers also had lower testosterone than their grandfathers so a sedentary life plays a part but isn’t the whole explanation.

Men are more likely to be victims of other types of violent crime though. Certainly women are more at risk of domestic/relationship violence, but you have cherrypicked a specific category. Of course in both cases it’s mostly men doing the violence, so I don’t think the claim men are oppressed makes much sense in this context.

.... or as a group, men are a bunch of giant spoiled sissies and it's societal-imposed gender roles that leads men to act manly.

This x1000. And even more important, our "natural" state is males fighting over access to female mates, same as most other mammalian species.

"The Patriarchy" was a fairly effective method to integrate low status males in the economy and limit intra population violence by ensuring most low status males had mating opportunities. I am not making a moral argument here. If you think this is morally repugnant attitude, than we can agree to disagree, but that isn't really relevant to my argument.

And as "The Patriarchy" crumbles and society is shifting back to a more 'natural' state, it should be no surprise that low status males are disengaging from the economy and violence would become more common.