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Really? Why? If your temp is high, presumably they're telling you to GTFO straight to a hospital. Same with the barista. So you're always going to get a receipt with two normal temps.

yes, it is what they were doing. idk, might just be letting people know that the government is in charge and taking control of this thing and everybody needs to be aware, etc. or a double check that the temperature of the customer was taken, it is normal, etc. maybe they told starbucks, you can open, but if someone has a temperature, you notify us, and if you serve someone with a high temperature, we will shut you down and you will have to answer. So for starbucks protection, they print it out and save their copy.

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03-07-2020 , 01:27 PM

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Don't worry, Mike Pence says Donald Trump is doing an amazing job at dealing with the pandemic. They have an unprecedented TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED tests to bring to bear on this problem.

Is anyone seriously listening to any politician at this stage and not your country's top health bureaucrat about what to do?

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03-07-2020 , 02:50 PM

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03-07-2020 , 03:18 PM

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Is anyone seriously listening to any politician at this stage and not your country's top health bureaucrat about what to do?

Oh you sweet summer child.

For a massive portion of the country, the value that they place on advice about COVID-19 is something like Trump >> Hannity >> any public health official.

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03-07-2020 , 03:42 PM

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Dr Trump. LOL

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03-07-2020 , 04:53 PM

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Is anyone seriously listening to any politician at this stage and not your country's top health bureaucrat about what to do?

Mike Pence IS our top health official.

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03-07-2020 , 07:31 PM

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Oh you sweet summer child.

For a massive portion of the country, the value that they place on advice about COVID-19 is something like Trump >> Hannity >> any public health official.

I'm talking about on here.

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03-07-2020 , 07:47 PM

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Don't worry, Mike Pence says Donald Trump is doing an amazing job at dealing with the pandemic. They have an unprecedented TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED tests to bring to bear on this problem.

Even I know that was bad reporting, and I am from the UK!
Each kit was good for something like 500 tests, which would be 1.25 million.

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03-08-2020 , 04:58 AM

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CPAC Attendee Has the Coronavirus, Officials Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/u...irus-cpac.html

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The Conservative Political Action Conference was attended last week by President Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and other administration officials.

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03-08-2020 , 08:54 AM

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Thoughts and prayers. Have fun!

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03-08-2020 , 01:02 PM

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Just awful news for "Team Trump":

Why the Coronavirus Could Threaten the U.S. Economy Even More Than China’s

If people stop traveling and going to the dentist, the gym or even March Madness basketball games, the impact could be enormous, an economist says.

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After a string of deaths, some heart-stopping plunges in the stock market and an emergency rate cut by the Federal Reserve, there is reason to be concerned about the ultimate economic impact of the coronavirus in the United States.

The first place to look for answers is China, where the virus has spread most widely. The news has been grim with deaths, rolling quarantines and the economy’s seeming to flat line, though the number of new cases has begun to fall.

Advanced economies like the United States are hardly immune to these effects. To the contrary, a broad outbreak of the disease in them could be even worse for their economies than in China. That is because face-to-face service industries — the kind of businesses that go into a tailspin when fearful people withdraw from one another — tend to dominate economies in high-income countries more than they do in China. If people stay home from school, stop traveling and don’t go to sporting events, the gym or the dentist, the economic consequence would be worse.

In a sense, this is the economic equivalent of the virus’s varied health effects. Just as the disease poses a particular threat to older patients, it could be especially dangerous for more mature economies.

This is not to minimize the indiscriminate and widespread damage that the disease has caused by disrupting the global supply chain. With shortages of everything from auto parts to generic medicines and production delays in things like iPhones and Diet Coke, a great deal of pain is coming from the closing of Chinese factories. That proliferating damage has central banks and financial analysts talking about a global recession in the coming months.

Get an informed guide to the global outbreak with our daily coronavirus newsletter.

Nor is it to discount the possibility that the United States will be spared the worst effects. Scientific and public health efforts might limit the spread of the virus or quickly find a treatment or vaccine. The warmer weather of summer might slow the spread of the coronavirus as it usually does with the seasonal flu. Many things could prevent an outbreak as large as the one in China.

But it is to say that an equivalent outbreak in the United States might easily have a worse economic impact.

As a baseline, several factors work against the United States. China’s authoritarian government can quarantine entire cities or order people off the streets in a way that would be hard to imagine in America, presumably giving China an advantage in slowing the spread of the disease. In addition, a large share of American workers lack paid sick days and millions lack health care coverage, so people may be less likely to stay home or to get proper medical care. And 41 percent of China’s population lives outside urban areas, more than twice the share in the United States. Diseases generally spread faster in urban areas.

Beyond those issues, however, is a fundamental difference in economic structure: When people pull back from interacting with others because of their fear of disease, the things they stop doing will frequently affect much bigger industries in the United States.

Consider travel. The average American takes three flights a year; the average Chinese person less than half a flight. And the epidemiological disaster of the Diamond Princess has persuaded many people to hold off on cruises. That cruise ship stigma alone potentially affects about 3.5 percent of the United States, which has about 11.5 million passengers each year, compared with only 0.17 percent of China, which has about 2.3 million passengers.

People may stop attending American sporting events. There have even been calls for the N.C.A.A. to play its March Madness college basketball tournament without an audience. But sports is a huge business in the United States. People spend upward of 10 times as much on sporting events as they do in China.

And if 60 million Americans stop spending $19 billion a year on gyms, that would be a much a bigger deal than if the 6.6 million gym members in China stopped spending the $6 billion they devote to gyms now.

That’s just a start. Who wants to go to the dentist or the hospital during an outbreak if a visit isn’t necessary? Yet health spending is 17 percent of the U.S. economy — more than triple the proportion spent in China.

Of course, not every service sector is so much larger than in China. Retail and restaurants, for example, have comparable shares of gross domestic product in both countries.

But over all, the United States is substantially more reliant on services than China is. And, on the flip side, agriculture, a sector not noted for day-to-day social interaction and so potentially less harmed by social withdrawal, is a 10 times larger share of China’s economy than it is in the United States.

So for all the talk about the global “supply shock” set off by the coronavirus outbreak and its impact on supply chains, we may have more to fear from an old-fashioned “demand shock” that emerges when everyone simply stays home. A major coronavirus epidemic in the United States might be like a big snowstorm that shuts down most economic activity and social interaction only until the snow is cleared away. But the coronavirus could be a “Snowmaggedon-style storm” that hits the whole country and lasts for months.

So go wash your hands for the full 20 seconds. And show some more sympathy for the folks quarantined in China and elsewhere. Because if it spreads rapidly in the United States, it could be a heck of a lot worse.

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03-08-2020 , 01:05 PM

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Why the Coronavirus Could Threaten the U.S. Economy Even More Than China’s

No question your at 600 cases last night and tested less than 2000 they said on the news. I wouldn't be shocked if your at 10,000 by weeks end . Also a Dictatorship like China will have more luck restricting movement. That is if your even able to test that many folks. Plus who is going to get a test if they have to pay $3000 for it

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03-08-2020 , 01:49 PM

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Another thing I was thinking about, it's already clear that the priority for Trump and his ghouls will be to shape the narrative/numbers over public health. The demographic most at risk from COVID-19 are senior citizens ... a demo that votes at a very high percentage. These older people will soon realize (if they haven't already) that Team Trump is literally putting their lives at real tangible risk. Hard to pull the lever for your executioner imho.

A state like Florida (high senior citizen demo) could be more in play for example.

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03-08-2020 , 01:57 PM

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Germany has over 1000, https://www.worldometers.in...
but what I don't understand...zero deaths. Several countries in fact have tallies in the 100's and zero deaths (see link). S. Korea death rate is pretty low.

This virus got in an old folks home and killed 14 in WA. This seems different strands to me but I am just guessing. Yes, WA deaths are old and thus high risk...but zero deaths vs 14 in one location? Did we not treat them effectively? idk tbh.

From what I understand, Wuhan death rate is 10 times higher or so than outside Wuhan (if you believe the figures, i kind of do ). It was explained as treatment protocols improved, the death rate improved.

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03-08-2020 , 02:08 PM

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I already posted this video as a response in the media thread but it's really much more relevant here. It's not US specific but is specifically about coronavirus and the spread of the disease outside of China:

Incidentally for anyone with more than a passing interest in advanced maths 3blue1brown is an amazing channel for providing incredibly insightful, well presented, and interesting maths videos.

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03-08-2020 , 02:43 PM

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...andle-a-crisis

In an absolutely scathing editorial in the conservative Washington Examiner, Executive Editor Philip Klein eviscerated Donald Trump.

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03-08-2020 , 02:57 PM

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Insightful. Thanks for sharing.

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03-08-2020 , 10:26 PM

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Dow -1,254.00 / -4.86%
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Futures. I said I felt this coming Friday. But big jobs numbers that day. Only down -300 or so. I am not good at this but...the **** hits the fan this week.

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03-08-2020 , 11:49 PM

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You know those Wall Street types, though. Dirty liberals all of them, so they are just out to get Trump.

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03-09-2020 , 12:13 AM

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You know those Wall Street types, though. Dirty liberals all of them, so they are just out to get Trump.

Now that it looks like Biden is the Democratic nominee, I don't think Wall Street cares all that much. They of course were very concerned about Bernie, and if it had been Bernie you might have seen some shenanigans to keep the market up for Trump.

Anyways, the market was overvalued and it was due for a contraction anyways, so all the Wall Street guys will sell high and buy back in low and all the retirement funds will be the ones to get screwed, and the Wall Street guys will make out just fine.

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03-09-2020 , 12:32 AM

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Timing the market is easy, folks.

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03-09-2020 , 02:40 PM

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this is fine

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03-09-2020 , 03:07 PM

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cnn money, what is driving the market?

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03-09-2020 , 03:21 PM

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I hope dementia Joe picks a really good VP because he might actually win due to Trump's mishandling of the coronavirus epidemic, and his VP will effectively be the next POTUS.

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