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Mental illness is the leading cause in homelessness from facts and figures. Drug abuse is a symptom of that. And you know if we had sane people leading this country instead of cult leaders like Trump and McConnell we could possibly alleviate this.

And spare me the "bUt MuH tAxEs" lines.

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10-21-2020 , 02:53 PM

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You really think Trump is the difference between a person with mental health issues choosing to abuse drugs rather than seek treatment? And yes, my experience tells me it's a conscious decision to continue addiction, rather than seek and use help, and politics and policy is so far removed from that decision to be wholly inconsequential. There are resources for people, they have to choose to use them, many don't. Getting people to use services is a bigger issue than getting more services.

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10-21-2020 , 03:03 PM

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Wow, you mean to suggest that mentally ill people don't make wise choices 100 percent of the time? Guess we'd better punish the ones who don't. That'll learn 'em.

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10-21-2020 , 03:03 PM

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People who hit the streets due to addiction tend to be from poor communities in the first place, DUCY?

That's oversimplified. It's not a money issue. Veterans, trans, abuse survivors et al are over represented in the homeless community despite having marketable skills. The idea that if everyone had more money people will experience less trauma is off-base. Outside psychiatric stuff, I would guess a lot of the mental health issues are more psychological.

You are right, it's unlikely trama survivors who end up homeless comes from upper middle class backgrounds, but abusers aren't likely to be upper middle class folks who believe in treatment.

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10-21-2020 , 03:05 PM

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I'll play:

"Conservatives are people collecting SS and disability checks while looking down their nose at their neighbors working 2 jobs and collecting SNAP."

SS is not charity, it is insurance that one collects at age 62 or later.

UBI wouldn't be charity either, because it is received by everybody.

UHC not charity either, for the above reason.

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10-21-2020 , 03:06 PM

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Wow, you mean to suggest that mentally ill people don't make wise choices 100 percent of the time? Guess we'd better punish the ones who don't. That'll learn 'em.

It's not about punishing. WTF is wrong with you? Enabling an addict is killing them.

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10-21-2020 , 03:07 PM

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SS is not charity, it is insurance that one collects at age 62 or later.

UBI wouldn't be charity either, because it is received by everybody.

UHC not charity either, for the above reason.

So, to which "charity" is it that liberals want to donate their neighbour's money?

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10-21-2020 , 03:07 PM

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It's not about punishing. WTF is wrong with you?

You are the one who said they need to suffer prior to seeking treatment.

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10-21-2020 , 03:08 PM

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This is a great thread idea, but I DID NOT begin this thread, let alone title it.

Very dishonest on the part of the mods.

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10-21-2020 , 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

That's oversimplified. It's not a money issue. Veterans, trans, abuse survivors et al are over represented in the homeless community despite having marketable skills. The idea that if everyone had more money people will experience less trauma is off-base. Outside psychiatric stuff, I would guess alotof the mental health issues are more psychological.

You are right, it's unlikely trama survivors who end up homeless comes from upper middle class backgrounds, but abusers aren't likely to be upper middle class folks who believe in treatment.

Sure, everyone wouldn't be better off, but a helluva lot of people would. For example, did you know that the number 1 cause of poverty is not having much money?

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10-21-2020 , 03:12 PM

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Very dishonest on the part of the mods.

Extracting new threads out of discussions that don't belong in the thread where they originated is not "dishonest", what are you talking about? You think this is some plot by moderators to make you look bad?!

Don't be such a ****ing snowflake, christ

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10-21-2020 , 03:13 PM

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Sure, everyone wouldn't be better off, but a helluva lot of people would. For example, did you know that the number 1 cause of poverty is not having much money?

Miss Jones: The rich are different than you and I.

Mr. Smith: Yes, they have a lot more money than us.

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10-21-2020 , 03:15 PM

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You are the one who said they need to suffer prior to seeking treatment.

I made no mention of inflicting suffering, but rather withholding comfort. The easier it is to be an addict, the harder it is to quit. It is not punishing an addict to not enable them.

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10-21-2020 , 03:15 PM

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Thread about improving living conditions for people in poverty and homelessness: wasn't me
Thread about explaining the "science" behind talking snakes and virgin births: sign me up!

Oh, to be lagtight for a day. What a world it must be.

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10-21-2020 , 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

If I'm the thread starter I should have the opportunity to title it.

My quote that caused the creation of this thread was NOT about homelessness.

This s great thread. Just a dishonest title since I'm listed as the OP.

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10-21-2020 , 03:17 PM

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I made no mention of inflicting suffering, but rather withholding comfort. The easier it is to be an addict, the harder it is to quit.

Yeah, comforts like food and warmth are for winners.

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10-21-2020 , 03:21 PM

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Yeah, comforts like food and warmth are for winners.

No, money. Needs are not comforts. Ever seen a homeless person without shoes? I have, it was in Afghanistan.

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10-21-2020 , 03:21 PM

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Thread about improving living conditions for people in poverty and homelessness: wasn't me

correct, it wasn't me. My quote had NOTHING TO DO with homelessness. This a great thread and I'm never shy about defending my views. I just don't like dishonest mods.

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Thread about explaining the science behind talking snakes and virgin births: sign me up!

Me too!

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Oh, to be lagtight for a day. What a world it must be.

Much better than being a drunkard like you, I suspect.

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10-21-2020 , 03:23 PM

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Much better than being a drunkard like you, I suspect.

I don't know about that - at least my stupors are interspersed with the odd episode of lucidity.

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10-21-2020 , 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I made no mention of inflicting suffering, but rather withholding comfort. The easier it is to be an addict, the harder it is to quit. It is not punishing an addict to not enable them.

We are talking about basic needs, like housing. Willfully withholding that is indispensable from punishment.

In addition, it's not even true. Helping addicts by giving them housing, or even just steady cash, helps them get clean.

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10-21-2020 , 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I made no mention of inflicting suffering, but rather withholding comfort. The easier it is to be an addict, the harder it is to quit. It is not punishing an addict to not enable them.

lol this is disgusting. and it pretty much sucks being an addict regardless.

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10-21-2020 , 03:27 PM

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ya like if I gotta spend the night under the bridge overpass then I sure as **** aint gonna do it sober.

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10-21-2020 , 03:29 PM

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I don't know about that - at least I still experience the odd episode of lucidity.

My mother was a drunkard and literally destroyed her brain by heavy drinking

She was a beautiful, sweet loving lady who allowed herself to be destroyed by alcohol.

She volunteered at a hospital for many years, and was beloved by all.

I would encourage you to stop drinking before it is too late.

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10-21-2020 , 03:30 PM

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So, should Catholic Charities allow people on drugs and alcohol into their shelters? You think it's punishing the drunks and addicts by denying them service by requiring them to be sober for the night? I guess along that same line its punishing somebody for showing up to work drunk and a high on drugs by firing them.

Aren't these just consequences of using drugs and alcohol inappropriately, rather than punishment?

If I run a sober homeless housing community I'm not punishing people for being drunk when I don't allow them in.

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10-21-2020 , 03:30 PM

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I would encourage you to stop drinking before it is too late.

I appreciate your kind words but remember what we discussed - when I want your advice I'll give you the secret signal, which is me being sectioned under the mental health act.

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