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I am, as a Christian, COMMANDED BY GOD to help feed the poor, help cure the sick and to comfort the afflicted.

The GOVERNMENT is NOT commanded to do ANY of those things!

You know you're responsible for your government though, right ?

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10-27-2020 , 02:14 PM

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It's part of a long tradition for various religious/socially conservative groups. And it definitely has nothing to do with freedom.

I always thought the stigma to out of wedlock births and being a bastard had to do with property rights and the peaceful transition of land and all that jazz.

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10-27-2020 , 02:22 PM

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Could it not be a holdover from the days of arranged marriages?

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10-27-2020 , 02:29 PM

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Could it not be a holdover from the days of arranged marriages?

Could be. But they were also interested in peaceful transfer of property and power. I think.

The poors never seemed to bother with the formalities as much. They had more important things to worry about. Like eating.

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10-27-2020 , 04:29 PM

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You know you're responsible for your government though, right ?

I am NOT responsible for my government, except to the extent that I have the privilege of voting.

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10-27-2020 , 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

I am NOT responsible for my government, except to the extent that I have the privilege of voting.

You can vote and you can petition your representatives.

That's part of the responsibility of living in a democracy.

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10-27-2020 , 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

You can vote and you can petition your representatives.

That's part of the responsibility of living in a democracy.

Participating in a democracy is not a responsibility, it is a privilege which I may choose to engage or not.

I have no moral obligation to vote.

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10-28-2020 , 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Participating in a democracy is not a responsibility, it is a privilege which I may choose to engage or not.

I have no moral obligation to vote.

I'm pretty sure most serious Christians would see it as a responsibility.

They may disagree on what God would like them to vote for but it's kind of obvious that you can use government to help people.

Are you afraid God won't get the credit. Like how Trump wants his name on the checks that go out ?

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10-29-2020 , 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

Some Christians actually abstain from voting for religious reasons. Like most thing religious, it can vary.

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10-29-2020 , 08:55 AM

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This religion malarkey is beginning to grow on me. Basically, it just means I can do or say whatever I want, and bear no responsibility as long as I utter the magic words "yo, that's muh religious beliefs", is that about right?

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10-29-2020 , 09:04 AM

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In the sense that you can abstain from voting, yes. In the sense that you can bludgeon your neighbor to death, no.

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10-29-2020 , 09:25 AM

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I'm pretty sure most serious Christians would see it as a responsibility.

I think you're right.

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They may disagree on what God would like them to vote for but it's kind of obvious that you can use government to help people.

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Are you afraid God won't get the credit. Like how Trump wants his name on the checks that go out ?

I endeavour to be anxious for nothing.

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10-29-2020 , 09:25 AM

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In the sense that you can abstain from voting, yes. In the sense that you can bludgeon your neighbor to death, no.

I was thinking more along the lines of discriminating against minority groups and abridging their rights, or just generally engaging in all sorts of bigotry. Not that I personally want to do that.

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10-29-2020 , 09:29 AM

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No, that is not "about right." Not even close.

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10-29-2020 , 10:17 AM

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Could it not be a holdover from the days of arranged marriages?

One of our friends growing up had an older brother who was in an arranged marriage(they're greek) around '90

It didn't work out

I'm sure there are still some happening here somewhere.

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I always thought the stigma to out of wedlock births and being a bastard had to do with property rights and the peaceful transition of land and all that jazz.

Some of that for sure I think. But if you believe the baby from the first instant is a full life--getting married after getting pregnant doesn't fix that

It's just a cheesy work-around. Allowing that work-around kinda suggests you don't believe a baby is a person imo.

I'm sure there are christians who wouldn't mind going back to primogeniture/first son getting everything--even though we ended that concept here in good old America

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