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08-10-2020 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Personally I think you shoudl ask T_D to close the thread.

But notice the breathtaking lack of self-awareness from D2. He runs off to another site to 'snitch' on this forum and then gets upset when it gets mentioned here.
What if I were talking to my girlfriend about this thread? Would you put some listeners in, and report on that, too?

I really don't understand why you're bringing up my comments about this thread that I made on a different site, and posting them in the thread itself of all things (instead of the mod thread). I can only assume it is to make yourself look good and to make me look bad in front of... someone?
08-10-2020 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
What if I were talking to my girlfriend about this thread? Would you put some listeners in, and report on that, too?
Lol, yeah that's the same as that thread. Exactly the same.

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I really don't understand why you're bringing up my comments about this thread that I made on a different site, and posting them in the thread itself of all things (instead of the mod thread). I can only assume it is to make yourself look good and to make me look bad in front of... someone?
I think you do understand. The comment are directly relevant to this thread. i.e Get advised to make about definitions and hey presto! coincidence, maybe.

You obsess far too much about looks. Posters should just know what's going on. No need for you to be ashamed is there?
08-10-2020 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
That's just factually incorrect. Tax revenue grew in the Reagan years despite the tax cuts. He did increase the federal debt mostly for military spending, not because tax revenue fell.
Well if you completely ignore parts of the post and argue against something else entirely then it's pretty easy to find inaccuracies. I'll quote my post again and give you a little hint as to why your response is not in any way disproving my point:

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Originally Posted by Willd
The idea that the Reagan tax cuts resulted in an increase in tax revenue (relative to no tax cuts) is absolute bollocks. Not even Reagan's administration at the time claimed that (although a few people outside it may have done) as they projected revenue decreases from income tax of more than $200 billion in the 6 years following the cuts. In reality the Reagan administration saw a significant decrease in tax revenue and the largest increase in government debt in the entire period between WWII and the Great Recession (both as proportions of GDP) .
08-10-2020 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Lol, yeah that's the same as that thread. Exactly the same.


I think you do understand. The comment are directly relevant to this thread. i.e Get advised to make about definitions and hey presto! coincidence, maybe.

You obsess far too much about looks. Posters should just know what's going on. No need for you to be ashamed is there?
I am not ashamed of receiving advice from intelligent people, no. There is certainly a dearth of them on this forum, present company included. So, I have to go elsewhere to get my fix.
08-10-2020 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
While I agree with you, I do feel that from the above, the following words or phrases probably mean different things to different people:

nationalist
authoritarianism
liberal democratic
militaristic totalitarian
liberalism
Marxism
fascist/fascist regime
democratic Republic

There are probably not two people on this board who read your post and interpreted every single one of those terms the same way.
To a degree, yes. But as tame deuces said, words matter. A common form of bad argument is to define X in your own idiosyncratic way, and then argue that something or someone is X.
08-10-2020 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
To a degree, yes. But as tame deuces said, words matter. A common form of bad argument is to define X in your own idiosyncratic way, and then argue that something or someone is X.
That was pretty much my point...
08-10-2020 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Lol, yeah that's the same as that thread. Exactly the same.


I think you do understand. The comment are directly relevant to this thread. i.e Get advised to make about definitions and hey presto! coincidence, maybe.

You obsess far too much about looks. Posters should just know what's going on. No need for you to be ashamed is there?
Hey, chez - while you're at it, why don't you also post screenshots of the advice I got? I think it would be informative to this discussion.
08-10-2020 , 07:29 AM
I tried reaching out to the OP about closing the thread, but he is AWOHL and I don't have the time to baby-sit this topic anymore, and this is very much a topic I feel that I as a moderator have to baby-sit.

I think it was an important discussion to have since this is a claim that runs rampant in political discourse. At the same time it's a topic that always runs on the dangerous border of excusing extremist ideology, so it is not the most comfortable topic to leave on the table

As closing words I think it is more than safe that we can with a solid rooting in historical facts state that the most dangerous element of Nazi ideology was its nationalism combined with blind worship of authority. This is a lesson that should never be forgotten.

      
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