For the benefit of anyone unfamiliar with OP's fanciful definitions, he believes that the NYT is "highly left wing".

You couldn't have been that earth-shattering considering I've completely forgotten about it.

Something tells me you've been on the receiving end of this line before.

I think it's an interesting proposition to run America more like those states. Although America IS already a welfare state. When comparing the US to a tiny country like Norway, which is largely homogenous in culture and race, with a history of ethnic Norwegians who share common mores, the welfare system MAY be feasible in the long run. There's always the problem of people wanting more and working less which remains to be seen. They're also rich from oil which will not always be sustainable.

America is an exception to most countries based on it's unique character. Identity politics comes into play far, far more than in those nordic countries. The questions of who gets what will likely tear it apart, especially as the youth is taught they're victims every day.

AOC is an out and out socialist. I've seen 0 evidence of any economic sense from her. She probably does think Norway is a socialist country and if given power she would try to literally socialize the economy. The way Bernie and AOC talk, it's like they think Bezos is stealing from people. They don't realize he's growing the economy. Do you?

I like how people keep calling Hitler fascist when not a single time did he mention fascism yet a thousand times he mentioned socialism. Nobody in this thread has posted a shred of primary evidence that Hitler was a fascist.

Ah, I remember now. Me and TS destroyed you. You just kept doing cute little "fyp" things and thought it was argumentation.

Thanks for sharing this again. TS had a great post, said better than me:

There are a few axes of human belief/preference that matter

1. The legitimacy of centralized power vs individual sovereignty

Nazis and socialists are both on the left here and have very similar views. In fact, that's why the Nazi Party arose out of hard left socialist ideology, because they're almost identical. Left wing thinking seamlessly turned into fascist thinking with little effort. You just add racism. Nazism could never have arisen out of a right wing philosophy that champions individualism and the sovereignty of the individual. It's a philosophical opposite that's so strong it stays true even if you add racism. On the other hand, left wing thinking is so similar to Nazist thinking that all you need to add is a little racism to a leftist and boom, you have a Nazi.

2. Fundamentalism vs laissez faire

The degree to which other considerations were allowed to be trampled for the primal importance of the philosophy. Socialists, antifa, Islam, the modern Left, climate change denial deniers, and Nazis are all strongly fundamentalist, in which one particular philosophy/moral goal overrides all other considerations and manners and becomes all important.

Both Nazis and the modern left are fundamentalists who favor centralized power over robust individualism. Ultimately what killed all these 80 million people (fascism) and 200 million people (socialism) was the centralization of power in a noble fundamentalist endeavor. Such disasters arise from large numbers of individuals who support centralizing power, however innocent and noble it might seem to begin with.

In fact you still never responded!

Originally Posted by Shuffle View Post
esspoker:

Remember when you said that it was "debatable" that communist policies led to the deaths of millions? When did you destroy me? Interesting you decided to count this as a victory.

It’s quite remarkable how many idiots consider Hitler and the Nazi party as socialists. Socialists in name only. Yes the SA wanted a socialist agenda for the Nazis. Due to concerns from his industrialist supporters Hitler killed off Röhm the leader of the SA and essentially disbanded it. The Nazis where supported by the capitalists and where a fascist and capitalist state. The main opponents to Hitler witching Germany where socialists, trade unions and communists and weren’t his supporters. I guess when you get that far right you start to feel there’s similarities to the far left.

Beautiful.

The fact of the matter is Hitler wasn't a classical liberal, which doesn't necessarily make him right-wing. Heavy regulation of industry isn't the hallmark of right-wing politics. I remember a few months ago there's a bunch of lefties wanting Trump to essentially nationalize manufacturers to produce medical equipment.

Heavy regulation of industry was very much a hallmark of right-wing nationalism/reactionary.

Interesting ...
U just said US is already a welfare country , how can OAC makes it more socialize than ?

About amazon and Besos, do you consider someone not paying his taxes as stealing or not ?
When u see a company like amazon, making billions and paying 0 federal taxes while at the same time , gaining lot of profit from US costumer which result in closing like 30% of retail stores and so , destroying jobs which results in destroying a part of the economy , how can you say amazon isn’t stealing the Americans by not paying taxes and suppose to help the US economy when amazon is one of the main reason its destroying jobs ??

Well, Hitler openly admired Mussolini, and Nazi Germany is almost always described as a fascist state. There were differences between, say, Italian fascism and Naziism, just as there are differences between socialism as practiced by different states. For example, Nazi Germany was more focused on race than many other fascist states. I'm not sure how this distinction helps your argument that Hitler was a socialist.

Also, LOL at the bolded being a serious distinction for you. Mussolini had no problem with the fascist label, and if we were talking about Mussolini rather than Hitler, you would be making exactly the same argument that Mussolini was a socialist.

In 'merica I'd have thought branding fascism as socialism/communism would put people off it.

As far as I can tell the only example of a far-right government that nationalized and heavily regulated industry, since the French Revolution, is Hitler and the Nazis. Seems Nazism is a better definition for Nazism than right wing, or left-wing. Fascist is probably what you're looking for. Fascism, can be left or right.

America is a welfare state to a degree but taxes can always go up and up, which is what she wants. It's a bad move for GDP growth.

You don't understand basic economics. Bezos isn't taking profit from people, it's a willing exchange. He's growing the economy in proportion to how much he makes, creating jobs, adding value. He does pay taxes, as do sharefholders, as does the business. But if the gov't doesn't incentivize them to stay, amazon will just move offshore and pay 0 taxes.

You want the amazons of the world.

You don't want them out of the country.

Because the best way to make believe uninformed electorate is to used words that is not reflecting the reality , it’s called lying ......

Do you really believe the US patriot act was patriotic and reflect true American values ?
Get real ....

This refers more the "historical classification" stemming from French politicians and nobles sitting on the right side in the French assembly, signifying their allegiance to monarchy, conservative values and authoritative law. So it is not so much about economics.

And even from there, the similarities to fascism are often superficial.

As far as I see it, two people can be fairly left-wing and right-wing and still be pretty much equal distance from Nazism.

Where d'you think the Nazi Party's 'Roman' salute came from? And Hitler's Beer-Hall Putsch was part of a conscious attempt to imitate Mussolini's March on Rome. (Hitler wanted to stage a 'March on Berlin', only armed police got in the way and opened fire, so that was off.)

Bolded part is not an argument. It's interesting, and I'm actually curious why it's the case, as I've seen 0 evidence so far of his "fascism." If anyone actually shows some, I will call him a fascist.

Maybe there was some influence, sure. But there was clearly some influence from Marx as evidenced in hundreds of quotes - also Marx influenced fascism. So should we call Hitler a Marxist?

This thread is ****ing hysterical. I’ve never seen someone so sure of something that is so easily proven false. Yo OP, did you make it from broke to millionaire yet? Your posting history is incredible. Keep up the good work.


https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...icle/fascism-1

It’s the RADICAL FAR LEFT HOLOCAUST MUSEUM

I love a guy who insults you as he runs away from an argument