NOBODY should have access to those weapons, undiagnosed personality disorders or no. The 2a does not grant unfettered access to any weapon your little dick can desire.

I do not care about guns, good luck if you can get that accomplished.

This thread is about gun control. If you do not care about guns, please kindly **** right off.

Well, I think a legitimate position is that no one is going to do anything about guns that will make an impact.

...still waiting on you to explain why you think radicalized rights are to blame for murders? I can’t belive you still haven’t some up with one source or any logic that supports this.

You think that all Black and Hispanic gang members are leftists don't you?

Wtf? No, why would you even ask that.

The 3rd and 4th points there are literally what the people you're arguing against are trying to address. The second is literally unpreventable, and if the first is, the means of addressing it are going to make a lot of conservatives and libertarians uncomfortable.

I think there are some interesting ideas (and links to research) in this piece on gun control regulations.

It's going to make the left uncomfortable too. For better or worse, and for right or wrong, assisting people who mental health issues who did not want to be assisted was made more difficult in the 70's, with the laws preventing people from being committed/treated against their will.


The second one can be dealt with better, but that goes to mental health stigma, and unwillingness to seek help.

The third one, you think shutting down 8chan stops this stuff? You do not understand that extremism is a flavor. They will gravitate to another flavor. Seriously, go read all that you can about how extremism manifest. All versions of extremism have the same general causes.

That is a good piece.

I've asked you to explain this 3 times and you can't come up with one shred of evidence or a source to support this idea. While I while agree hate groups suck and we should be harsher on them. Just willy nilly assigning blame to problems on one group or the other is nonsense.

What punishment should we assign the KKK because of the terrible ratio of oreo to ice cream in a mcflurry?

Should we send white nationalist to jail because of the overwhelming shark attacks in the country?

Should we tax Nazis more for the popularization of high waisted jeans that women are wearing today?

Lol’ed at this.

Since coercion is an influence that supports stigma and distrust, why would coercing people to get “treatment” contribute towards the end of stigma which influences people not to seek treatment out of distrust?

And which laws? Even here in lax Alabama we have laws that grant state authority to do involuntary confinement as well as mandated treatment. Done very carefully with due process in my county local and overseen by a state department of mental health.

It’s fairly zany that mental health is framed as a left/right issue. That looks like divide and conquer more than any practical discussion of minds and health.

Another tell that fascism is all up in politics, co-opting whatever power it can get it’s temporal hands upon and arguing for influence to hold position.

It's not necessarily that the radical right is actually out there committing the murders, though they definitely are that too. No, the real reason the radical right is ultimately responsible is because they have totally co-opted the gun control issue and in doing so push back so vehemently against even the slightest attempt to regulate small arms that they are effectively enabling any and all mass shooters. And beyond that also enabling those who use small arms for things like suicide, domestic violence, and street crimes.

Strangely the right only seems to push back against regulations for small arms. When it comes to heavier weapons like explosives and fully automatic rifles they seem A-ok with heavy regulations. Be great to have that explained to me one day, but I doubt it will happen any time soon.

What % of the US population is the radical right and assuming your answer is a very small %, why do you think they have the ability to make law or prevent new laws regarding guns?

It's a small percentage but they have tremendous power. Mainly because they're the group that will primary Reps who don't vote the way they want, particularly on guns.

PS you already know this, not sure why you're asking.

Denying people with mental illness their Constitutional rights will only mean that people with mental illness will not seek treatment for their problems.

I believe this will make the problem worse, not better.

The people with personality disorders do not seek treatment now.

ishotinvegas, most people check themselves into mental hospitals. If that is a background check trigger, number will drop dramatically.

So, you understand why voter ID laws are bad....

That's possible, but not at all obvious.

Not sure I understand correlation to voter ID Laws. I have had experience with people suffering from mental illness. Non gun owners, or gun enthusiasts. But, it is very difficult convincing them to seek help, and denying them Constitutional Rights if they do, will just make it harder.