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Yes, it locks up after 5 incorrect attempts. Then a key is required to open and reset the lockbox. I have one key on me and 1 in a safe. It's secure, yet easily accessible in under a minute.

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02-02-2023 , 12:56 AM

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I hope the day never comes where people will understand why the 2nd amendment is necessary for a free state.

No, there are plenty of free states without anything like a 2nd amendment.

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02-02-2023 , 01:36 AM

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OK, then feel free to tell me how something can be "securely locked up" but you can still get it out in time to protect yourself from an unexpected intruder.

If you can access it in less than a minute, I would say that means it was not very secure.

Just recently a 6yo boy shot his teacher with a gun that his mother said was secured somewhere the child couldn't get to. Do you think it was "securely locked up"? Do you think she tried to teach her son not to touch it? IMO, the more you teach a child about a weapon, the more likely he is to use it.

Are you like 70? Biometric safe.

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02-02-2023 , 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes

Are you like 70? Biometric safe.

I'm not 70 yet, but I've never seen something like that outside of a James Bond movie. I'm sure they exist, but wouldn't they be extremely expensive? I also can't imagine the average person who has guns at home uses one.

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02-02-2023 , 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCobb

I'm a gun guy and would much rather take a 9mm than a .223

I've come a long way in regard to guns. Used to hate them and etc. Now that I got me all sizes, I see how they can be kept securely locked up and you can teach your kids to not touch 'em.

A pit bull mix my wife had years ago was far more dangerous to everyone. Would never do that one again, ever. Horrible idea on her part.

I hope the day never comes where people will understand why the 2nd amendment is necessary for a free state.

Why would you want a less powerful, less accurate, lower effective range round?

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Originally Posted by Slighted

if the pitbull gets loose and hurts someone, you are likely liable for that damage..

if the gun gets loose and kills someone, somehow you aren't liable for that damage..

not that i am in anyway agreeing with your premise that a pitbull is somehow more dangerous than a machine designed to kill people...

I’ve never seen a gun get loose and shoot on its own. Has anyone?

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If a gun is "securely locked up", it's going to be tough to use for self-defense in a sudden break-in attack.

The US is the only country with the 2nd amendment, and AFAIK other countries don't have anything similar. Do you think no other countries qualify as "free states"?
IMO many other countries are considerably more free than the US.

There are a few other countries with the right to own weapons. Pretty sure Vietnam and Czech are some examples.

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Lol, no.

It's like you guys just frolic into random threads because you can't stop posting so you guys pretend to know a little bit about everything on every subject because you have to in order to play this game.

Having to get your weapon out of a secure location is incredible difficult when you’re under extreme stress and the adrenaline is pumping.

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Originally Posted by EastCobb

exactly, like security cameras and other methods have no bearing on giving you at least a few seconds to get a gun

Few seconds prob isn’t going to help you lol

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You can’t.

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02-02-2023 , 03:21 AM

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so i'm in sales so i travel a lot. I have 3 kids under 12 years old too. I live in the north atlanta suburbs (as evidenced by my name)

wife has 2 x 9mm handguns
i have 2 x 40mm handguns
i also have a 45 carbine 16" rifle that has no scope on it or anything, just for shooting at range and perhaps home defense
i have a 16" .22 for the range, currently disassembled because I f'd up a trigger spring change on it
I have a shortbarrel .22 for the range, which is fun as hell to shoot, and cheap. folding stock on that one
a .45 carbine that's decked out for home defense and for travel when I drive to see customers
and the ones you're really probably interested in... I have a 5.56 ar pistol and a MR762 ... both remain completely locked up for absolute **** hits the wall scenario... considering what our friends in the ukraine are going through right now, it's a rare chance in the USA but who knows...

Do you wanna check any of this info or do you stand by it

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02-02-2023 , 04:35 AM

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Well, back in the 80's with those suitcase mobile phones that cost $5000, it would seem that having a phone that can fit in your front pocket with speech and facial recognition capabilities would have to easily cost over a million dollars, but a simple biometric gun safe for a handgun today can be had for well under $100.

Why can't you imagine that the average person who owns a gun wouldn't use one or something similar to keep their firearm(s) safe from children?

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02-02-2023 , 04:44 AM

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Why can't you imagine that the average person who owns a gun wouldn't use one or something similar to keep their firearm(s) safe from children?

https://www.thecut.com/2023/01/6-yea...s-teacher.html

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02-02-2023 , 05:40 AM

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Why would you want a less powerful, less accurate, lower effective range round?

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I meant I’d rather get shot by a 9mm than a .223/5.56

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02-02-2023 , 06:09 AM

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Eugene Volokh on gun rights

https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjo...transcript.pdf

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02-02-2023 , 06:30 AM

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https://www.thecut.com/2023/01/6-yea...s-teacher.html

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With over a third of all American households owing firearms, if the average gun owner didn't safeguard their firearm(s), incidents like the above would be happening multiple times each day.

Most people keep their firearms locked in a safe. Those that want quick access and keep their firearm safe from their children will spend $70 on a biometric safe.

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02-02-2023 , 07:31 AM

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what did i say wrong, 40mm vs 40 s&w? ok then?

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02-02-2023 , 07:33 AM

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Few seconds prob isn’t going to help you lol

A few seconds bought by the dog, security cams alerting me, outside automatic lights, all these things can help. It's incredulous to say that a few seconds late could cause you to die and also say that a few seconds early can't save your life. Seconds on either end can make a huge difference.

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02-02-2023 , 07:34 AM

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A USA without guns in the hands of law abiding citizens scares me a hell of a lot more than the status quo. But some people are hellbent on taking away gun rights. Funny that it's so often foreigners, what do they care about what goes on here?

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02-02-2023 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCobb

Having to get to your secure weapon(might not even be possible) and then you have to work the biometric safe, or find a key or remember your password and properly key it in.

This will take much much longer than a few seconds.

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02-02-2023 , 12:15 PM

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Lefties, centrists and right wingers all own guns. They are everywhere in this country. Some people in the mid west have them sitting on their kitchen counter, other folks in places like California have had them handed down to them and take extreme measures of safety. Some literally invest in them. Again,they are everywhere. You could buy a biometric safe from Cabelas for dirt cheap.

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02-02-2023 , 12:21 PM

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Dirt cheap electronic safes usually have an external battery compartment. Once you remove a battery, some of them reset and go to the default key code, which you can find on the internet.

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02-02-2023 , 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes

1/3 of American households own guns? Really

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...-133m-firearms

This link says 3% , which is the under 5% I thought it was.

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02-02-2023 , 12:28 PM

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The fact that we have metal detectors and armed guards in our schools doesn't seem very free to me. The gun rights folks will make sure it is really really easy for anyone that decides to shoot up a school that we don't infringe on their "right" to have easy access to high powered weapons. Priorities.

It's also troubling that the folks that scream the loudest about their right to have a gun in order to protect freedom are the same folks that keep chipping away at democracy. And not always chipping. Some outright tried to overthrow it. A fascist state is about as not free as it comes.

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02-02-2023 , 12:29 PM

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Yeah, I don't feel very free when I go to a public place only to have the folks around packing heat.

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02-02-2023 , 03:12 PM

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Dirt cheap electronic safes usually have an external battery compartment. Once you remove a battery, some of them reset and go to the default key code, which you can find on the internet.

Are these like the safes in Las Vegas hotel rooms? I've heard of lots of people getting things stolen from them.

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02-02-2023 , 03:12 PM

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A pitbull is basically designed for killing also, and I have never heard of a pitbull owner being prosecuted for killing someone (if it happens, it is very rare).

Of course I'm not a gun rights supporter either, but pitbulls should be completely banned.

you've never heard of someone facing liability for their dog attacking someone? turn on daytime tv around mid afternoon..

i'm not talking about criminally prosecuted. if your dog is improperly stored and gets out and hurts someone you are liable.. if your gun is improperly stored and say your child gets it and hurts someone you should absolutely face civil liability for that.

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02-02-2023 , 03:14 PM

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i live in an area where i routinely see idiots open carrying at the grocery store, and not a single one of them would i trust with a large stick, let alone a killing machine..

the idea that everyone having a gun is somehow safer is lunacy.

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02-02-2023 , 03:15 PM

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you've never heard of someone facing liability for their dog attacking someone? turn on daytime tv around mid afternoon..

i'm not talking about criminally prosecuted.

I don't know what you are referring to here, I don't think I have ever watched TV in the mid afternoon.

But I was talking about criminal prosecution. Don't know what other kind of prosecution there is.