The amount of money and wars the us lost since WW2 is laughable.

And yes , wining a civil wars between each other 150 years ago as certainly merits towards world earned respect lol….

When you have to go back 200 years and talk about earning merits or w.E you mean is pretty hilarious ….

Come back to the present .
All the US great accomplishments were done when you probably weren’t even born .

Ho yes , ar15 is a great weapon for recreational purpose …..

Well, guns are enjoyable to shoot and AR-15 derivatives have a comfortable, lightweight design. Like with rifles in general it is pretty easy to learn the basics and become decent.

I'm well aware of the design's controversial nature in the US and how it is become a cultural symbol wielded by both sides on the issue of gun control, but that doesn't mean there isn't a genuine recreational use for a comfortable semi-automatic rifle (assuming we're talking about civilian configurations).

Yes of course .
I did try it in a shooting range , many big guns .
Was kinda fun .

Doesn’t mean I should own one and practice it in my back years tho

Yes of course .
I did try it in a shooting range , many big guns .
Was kinda fun .

Doesn’t mean I should own one and practice it in my back years tho .

For those being pro guns in the US .

Is there any guns (m16 post 1986) that should be ban at all ?

If yes why ?

What makes you draw the line of one being ban ?

Do you recognize any limits on the right to bear arms? If so, what is the basis for the limitation?

I don't know how we could draw conclusions one way or the other about the potential criminal or civil liability of the parents based on the information currently available to the public.

It's also hard to argue with someone (not referring to you) who unironically equates any sort of gun control with despotism.

I would be perfectly content with Crumbley’s parents being sentenced to death and Crumbley being forced to watch it during his prison term

Well maybe that's a bit much but I'd certainly be all for life in prison for both the parents.

I have to laugh when all the USA#1 gun nuts talk about how fun having guns and shooting is. It is such an odd thing to be excited about or to post on social media about... "ooh look I got a new machine where when I pull the trigger a bullet comes out!"

I can understand owning a gun for self-defense or even hunting (although the appeal of shooting a defenseless animal as a way to spend a Saturday afternoon, eludes me as well). But what I don't get is the whole cult of gun ownership in this country. The collecting, the gun shows, the excitement about buying them, the general worship of guns. It is inexplicable to me and seems like a form of brainwashing, the same way kids are taught from a young age to worship Jesus.

And we're wondering why some cling to their guns?

What would you say your political ideology is?

AR15s are way more powerful than handguns and crossbows and are totally unnecessary to defend oneself? I neither know nor particularly care if there's a Constitutional difference, which I guess is what you're asking about, but the argument "nobody should be using these horrifying death machines" is more powerful to me than "ancient slaveowners with wooden teeth wrote this document that we all have to strictly obey 250 years later even though the wording of it was, and still is now, highly open to interpretation in countless instances".

lolololol at "earning" rights

Rights are just rules society agrees upon because they protect the citizenry. You can't "earn" them by being brave on the battlefield or conquering societies or whatever the **** you're on about.

We did commit mass genocide to the indigenous peoples of this land, so that's one laurel you and your fellow reactionary freaks can rest upon.

(for the record, I'm not a liberal, I'm way way to the left of liberals, just so you know who you're talking to)

the yawn makes no sense there as you are the one who suggested a certain percent would become lawless and kill others if such laws were enacted.

Indeed. There's something seriosuly wrong with the whole culture. Death for the parents, being forced to watch. Even the far more reasonable guy thinks both parents should spend life in prison.

Obviosuly there's some hypebole but there's a sickness in the culture. Maybe ever increasing rot because they can't face standing up to the constitution and actually trying to change anyhting. No you do not have the right to have a gun!

Not all gun deaths contribute linearly to some uniform measure of impact. You argument is like saying only 3,000 people died on 9/11 therefore terrorism is really a threat we need to spend a lot of resources on in order to protect lives, 3,000 being a super small proportion of our total population. We reorganized our society around the 9/11 attacks because the motive and the perpetrator matter independently of the raw number when it comes to deaths.

Gun violence from gangs and domestic disputes are almost like deaths resulting from a certain caste of people opting into a very dangerous game of tag. Of course that's not the enlightened way to view it, but that is closer to how it is actually viewed, the implication being it doesn't have much of an effect on many voters. Mass shootings however, of which there were over 600 in 2020 (defined by a shooting event with 4 or more people injured), can, especially when they happen in a vey public space, have wide ranging influences on public behavior and safety measures/expenditures.

Banning or seizing weapons designed to produce mass casualties is also an opportunity to further build the apparatus needed to have more general control over what weapons people can access. The thing is that the economic mechanisms which are making people crazy from deprivation, isolation, alienation, anxiety, etc. are not going to change. Our government is seized by corporations and even highly intelligent followers of politics, such as people ITF, are all but blind to that or the implications of that. So violent behavior is only going to get worse. Unless we are going to put calming therapeutics in the water supply we are going to face an increasing need to limit individual offensive power.

We might as well start with seizing these military assault rifles.

I've been referencing high levels of crazy and I forgot about the moron level in this country which is extremely high. The country being full of morons is another reason not to have liberal gun laws.


If we were going to honestly represent ourselves the American flag would be just an all red flag.

I'm a pro-gun person, and I see no reason why a person would need a gun that holds 8+ bullets, other than My FrEeDoMz or they're unhinged.

I would be for banning AR-15 style assault rifles, especially open-carry in public. It's a miracle there hasn't been a major casualty event yet, I'm talking about more than 2 people killed.

We are discussing where to redraw the line. The line can always be redrawn. The greatness of the constitution is its ability to adapt. I learned from some movie where Joe Pesci plays a bum and it would be more applicable if the constitution mentioned modern weapons specifically. Since it doesn't and we have to follow the constitution as written and reasonably inferred, I think you should be able to own all the single shot muskets you can afford, as well as any number of metal marbles they take for ammunition.

Well it's true Alaska tops the list and they do have the largest and most influential set of Latin Kings there who basically run the Kings nation from the gritty streets of Fairbanks. Good point.



From your cold dead hands will we take away the option for you to be a mass shooter. This is basically your attitude toward the covid vaccines too, isn't it? death first? Covid isn't going anywhere so maybe the problem of people like you will sort of sort itself out naturally.

Agree .
I’m pretty feel the same way even tho I’m not a pro gun ( not necessarily against it either ) .

Pretty much was my point when I invoked the point about letting any countries getting nuclear weapons , but in a better way and reasonable way .

Obv. Bad faith pro gunners try to mixed up this issue with politics about despotism …..

I’m going to deeply regret engaging this I know but these parents bought a 15 year old a gun. Then the enabler mom texted the 15 year old when he was getting in trouble for his shenanigans ‘lol I’m not mad you just have to learn not to get caught’

You want the right to bear arms? Fine, I’ll compromise: the punishment of misuse should be absolute. You illegally bought a child a gun then enabled his activity then he subsequently used to kill 4 teenagers? Bye Felicia. Why on earth should these pieces of **** (parents and child) have another free day in their lives?

That's where you're going wrong imo. There is nothing remotely fine about any of this.

If that's the way you want the world to be then you should be pretty happy with the way the usa is going. I dont really believe it is what you want but maybe. it seems far more like giving up.