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if law enforcement did it's job there would be less need of vigilantes, at least for violent riots.

they were literally shooting rubber bullets, does that seem reasonable to you?

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03-21-2024 , 01:01 PM

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if law enforcement did it's job there would be less need of vigilantes, at least for violent riots.

they were literally shooting rubber bullets, does that seem reasonable to you?

Clearly, this is the appropriate response:

You'd be driving the front tank.

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03-21-2024 , 01:08 PM

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Luciom has admitted that he is using a definition of Marxist that no one else uses, which makes a discussion of whether a particular thing is Marxist a complete waste of time.

Luciom might as well be arguing that, even though he ate a steak yesterday, he follows a 100% plant-based diet because he defines all living things as plants.

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03-21-2024 , 01:09 PM

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if law enforcement did it's job there would be less need of vigilantes, at least for violent riots.

they were literally shooting rubber bullets, does that seem reasonable to you?

NO and Yes.

We can't ever let randoms with guns take "justice" into their own hands. It hasn't worked in the past and won't ever work.

If you are talking about the police, yes, shooting rubber bullets seems perfectly reasonable.

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03-21-2024 , 01:20 PM

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Luciom has admitted that he is using a definition of Marxist that no one else uses, which makes a discussion of whether a particular thing is Marxist a complete waste of time.

Luciom might as well be arguing that, even though he ate a steak yesterday, he follows a 100% plant-based diet because he defines all living things as plants.

not exactly, I linked to people who use something much close to my definition than to yours.

and no my definition isn't meaningless as the plant example would imply

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03-21-2024 , 01:25 PM

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You don't sound any different from the rioters, Luciom. If you don't like something going on, then take matters into your own hands. The more violent the better.

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03-21-2024 , 01:26 PM

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You don't sound any different from the rioters, Luciom. If you don't like something going on, then take matters into your own hands. The more violent the better.

I never understand if you guys are trolling or not at this point, if asking for law enforcement to stop rioters is the same as being a rioter, language has no meaning anymore

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03-21-2024 , 01:27 PM

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You don't sound any different from the rioters, Luciom. If you don't like something going on, then take matters into your own hands. The more violent the better.

Sounds Marxist.

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03-21-2024 , 01:27 PM

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btw rococo this long discussion about Marxism started because I used the cultural Marxists label that a lot of the right uses to describe trans activism, and now you say my definition is unique and not shared any anyone.

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03-21-2024 , 01:28 PM

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I never understand if you guys are trolling or not at this point, if asking for law enforcement to stop rioters is the same as being a rioter, language has no meaning anymore

Kyle Rittenhouse is law enforcement?

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03-21-2024 , 01:36 PM

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not exactly, I linked to people who use something much close to my definition than to yours.

and no my definition isn't meaningless as the plant example would imply

It isn't meaningless to you because it is basically a catch all for people who have political beliefs and behaviors that you despise.

But that isn't a very useful definition for the rest of the world.

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03-21-2024 , 01:37 PM

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Kyle Rittenhouse is law enforcement?

Well, he has a gun.

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03-21-2024 , 01:41 PM

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I doubt those same people share your view that all political violence is Marxism.

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The term cultural Marxism (which, as an aside, has a strong whiff of antisemitism in its origins) was a label that certain right wing people in the United States began attaching to various social views a few decades ago.

As best I can tell, their logic was:

--We don't like Marxism.
--We don't like these social views.
--Hey, let's refer to these social views as "cultural Marxism." The reasoning doesn't matter much. Marxism has generally negative connotations in the United States. Maybe it will resonate and stick.

In other words, their logic was much the same as your logic.

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I'm not a big fan of vigilante "justice". Hasn't worked very well so far.

It worked out just fine in Tombstone, and in a number of other movies in the 70s and 80s.

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I doubt those same people share your view that all political violence is Marxism.

*all political violence against democracies with decent constitutions but sure let's remove that part and claim Luciom considers you marxist if you fight for freedom while under a regime because we want to troll

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Much like you, my omission was in the interests of brevity. The additional qualifier doesn't make your definition less ridiculous.

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Much like you, my omission was in the interests of brevity. The additional qualifier doesn't make your definition less ridiculous.

You used the example of chinese repression of democratic movements claiming i would lead the repression if i could

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03-21-2024 , 02:52 PM

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You used the example of chinese repression of democratic movements claiming i would lead the repression if i could

That was in response to your post about using rubber bullets for crowd control, not about Marxism, the implication of course being that you would use overwhelming lethal force if you could.

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03-21-2024 , 02:57 PM

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That was in response to your post about using rubber bullets for crowd control, not about Marxism, the implication of course being that you would use overwhelming lethal force if you could.

So the Chinese government uses lethal force against peaceful protestors to keep the regime in place and this in some way makes it improper to use lethal force against violent criminals setting a neighborhood on fire at night in a western democracy I get it

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03-21-2024 , 02:59 PM

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Should the capitol police have opened fire on the jan. 6 folks? (yes, I realize one did, talking about all of the other ones present).

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Question for you Luciom: if the Marxists manage to get into power, as they did in the Soviet Union and China last century, presumably they don't just stop being Marxist. And by your definition anyone engaging in protests against them with any degree of violence are also Marxists, correct? So we appear to have a Marxist on Marxist situation in this scenario, have I understood this correctly? The Marxists are both driving the tank and standing in front of it.