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06-08-2023 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Even when the "gang members" (I actually haven't read anything about the suspects or victims being gang members) are kids with modified automatic machine guns firing indiscriminately into other kids? That being said, If you don't care about that you certainly have a lot of company. Based on their policy decisions it seems the elected city officials of Chicago and state officials of Illinois dont really care either.
"You care about occasional school shootings, but whaddabout youths in Chicago killing each other every day!!!"

BTW, those were modified handguns with extended mags.
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06-08-2023 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Yes, and I can easily save my own life by not smoking and driving at a reasonable speed, which I already do.

How am I supposed to easily save my own life from being shot?

Also, do you realize that these "barbaric warriors", both the leaders of the armed forces and those in enlisted positions, are generally the ones on your side (pro-gun ownership)?
Ok that’s a good point Rob. I will have to consider. I think that anyone in society that supports the military industrial complex we have is a Barbaric warrior.

I don’t see it as a side thing. I am a far left person and don’t have much in common with the right.
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06-08-2023 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
It depends on who is being killed. I don't think that gang members in inner cities are generally indiscriminately shooting at large groups of children. However, assuming they are, if those killed are also gang members, I don't care a bit; actually I consider that a positive.

Most people care about others being killed when they or their children could reasonably be one of those killed, through no fault of their own. I believe that is perfectly reasonable and there is nothing negative about it. I don't really see what you think your point is.
Jesus Christ dude, this is dark as hell.
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06-08-2023 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Which country?
You know which countries I'm talking about, come on...
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06-08-2023 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

I don’t see it as a side thing. I am a far left person and don’t have much in common with the right.
Haha, you have some quite unique political views. Somehow a mix of socialist, libertarian, anarchist.
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06-08-2023 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Haha, you have some quite unique political views. Somehow a mix of socialist, libertarian, anarchist.
He is like a non-partisan Dr. Frankenstein. He took some of the worst views from across the political spectrum and mashed them together into some sort of monster.
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06-08-2023 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
It depends on who is being killed. I don't think that gang members in inner cities are generally indiscriminately shooting at large groups of children. However, assuming they are, if those killed are also gang members, I don't care a bit; actually I consider that a positive.
Ooh, so edgy.
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06-08-2023 , 09:14 AM
https://reason.com/2023/06/07/disarm...circuit-rules/

Read it and weep nerds. The court is finally being required (again) to follow the constitution. Illegal bans are illegal

“If this ban is illegal then all gun bans are illegal”

Yea no ****.
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06-08-2023 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
He is like a non-partisan Dr. Frankenstein. He took some of the worst views from across the political spectrum and mashed them together into some sort of monster.
Haha, I would say some of the best!
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06-08-2023 , 09:31 AM
Providing for citizens ( bad idea?)

-free healthcare
-free UBi
-free housing
-free food
-free education
-free guns
-free training
-free gym
-free universities


Guarantee you we reduce crime and gun violence by doing the above. But both sides will say it’s too expensive while ignoring that many social programs benefit the economy by over a dollar for every dollar given away.
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06-08-2023 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Haha, I would say some of the best!
Same. Which is why I find the gun thing so weird. Pretty on point with a lot of other things, pretty irrational with the gun thing.
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06-08-2023 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Providing for citizens ( bad idea?)

-free healthcare
-free UBi
-free housing
-free food
-free education
-free guns
-free training
-free gym
-free universities


Guarantee you we reduce crime and gun violence by doing the above. But both sides will say it’s too expensive while ignoring that many social programs benefit the economy by over a dollar for every dollar given away.
you forgot your idea for a government supplied girlfriend/boyfriend
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06-08-2023 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Haha, I would say some of the best!
Except for the part where he said he would endorse Ron Paul or Vermin Supreme for president.
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06-08-2023 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
you forgot your idea for a government supplied girlfriend/boyfriend
You forgot that’s a basic part of health care
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06-08-2023 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
You forgot that’s a basic part of health care
How would this be implemented?
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06-08-2023 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
How would this be implemented?
That's where the 'free guns' part comes in
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06-08-2023 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
That's where the 'free guns' part comes in
Good point. Obviously spoils of war in a barbaric warrior society.
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06-08-2023 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Jesus Christ dude, this is dark as hell.
Eh, probably most people think that they just won't say it.
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06-08-2023 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Eh, probably most people think that they just won't say it.
Some portion of the population definitely does, I don’t know about most. Doesn’t make disregard for lives of children any less dark though.
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06-08-2023 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Some portion of the population definitely does, I don’t know about most. Doesn’t make disregard for lives of children any less dark though.
Apart from that, again it makes perfect sense for most people to care more about violence that has a much larger chance to hurt them or their families.

I don't get how some here think that is some kind of gotcha, and none of them seem to be explaining why they think it is.
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06-08-2023 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Apart from that, again it makes perfect sense for most people to care more about violence that has a much larger chance to hurt them or their families.

I don't get how some here think that is some kind of gotcha, and none of them seem to be explaining why they think it is.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being more motivated to stop violence that affects you personally but there’s a big gap between that and thinking it’s a positive if children who happen to be in a gang are killed. That’s well beyond assigning a lower priority or even indifference to violence that doesn’t affect you.
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06-08-2023 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being more motivated to stop violence that affects you personally but there’s a big gap between that and thinking it’s a positive if children who happen to be in a gang are killed. That’s well beyond assigning a lower priority or even indifference to violence that doesn’t affect you.
I would agree, if the bolded was actually a thing.
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06-08-2023 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I would agree, if the bolded was actually a thing.
So you want to entirely discount circumstances that people are born into or the decision making ability of children for that matter?
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06-08-2023 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Providing for citizens ( bad idea?)

-free healthcare
-free UBi
-free housing
-free food
-free education
-free guns
-free training
-free gym
-free universities


Guarantee you we reduce crime and gun violence by doing the above. But both sides will say it’s too expensive while ignoring that many social programs benefit the economy by over a dollar for every dollar given away.
I assume when you say "free" you mean "rich people pay for", but please correct me if I'm wrong.

LOL at saying forcing rich people to pay for edu, food, housing, income and healthcare will be good for an economy. The percent of people working in our society would plummet within a month and the economy would suffer. I think suggesting that drastically reducing the incentive to work (as described above) is good for an economy is dumber than saying it would reduce crime, but it is close.
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06-08-2023 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
How would this be implemented?
govt pays women to sleep with men.

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So you want to entirely discount circumstances that people are born into or the decision making ability of children for that matter?
children in gangs are victims of the adults in gangs who are often victims of the adults in prison.
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I assume when you say "free" you mean "rich people pay for", but please correct me if I'm wrong.

LOL at saying forcing rich people to pay for edu, food, housing, income and healthcare will be good for an economy. The percent of people working in our society would plummet within a month and the economy would suffer. I think suggesting that drastically reducing the incentive to work (as described above) is good for an economy is dumber than saying it would reduce crime, but it is close.
I mean the govt pays for via fair taxes for all. Not income taxes, but all govt fees/fines/levies/taxes/bills.

You don't need everyone to work to be successful. In a very strong country 75% can carry the 25% that cant work. I don't want people to work to survive, I want people to be incentivized to be in the best career for them which will lead to a country that is far more effective AND efficient than your proposition.

Would you rather have a population that can grow their mind body and soul AND then work, or a society that must work first AND then is allowed to consider their mind body and soul. Mind you we live in a country that has enough resources to support the poor, we just choose not to.
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