This is the poker equivalent of someone who has no idea about poker asking a good professional poker players why they play poker since every gambler losses long-term.

Can you show a source that shows what percent of each race and sex commit the most violent crimes and murders? If you are going to post such obvious racism you should at least back it up.

I just don't think either of these arguments hold any water.

Sure, will I get a $1million dollar or more bonus for shooting the killer? How do you calculate lives saved?

are you saying hes black? I have news for you, lots and lots of people with the last name garcia are 80% white european

our right to bear arms without infringment should be well regulated. over half the states are now doing that via constitutional carry.
we arent talking about crimes, we are talking about school shootings.

there werent any racist comments posted. if you dont think that white males are doing the vast majority of school shootings then you are simply misinformed.

idc about who commits violent acts or who gets arrested by the police more. We live in a violent country that trains to protect the rest of the world from china and russia.

sources

https://schoolshooters.info/sites/de...males_1.19.pdf

^^ interesting article, funny that they think people over half white or asian people are not white. That's hilarious.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...hooter-s-race/

this is for mass shootings which is a lol term, but includes school shootings. the race disparity is clear

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-455

"The characteristics of schools where shootings occurred over the past 10 years also varied by poverty level and racial composition. Urban, poorer, and high minority schools had more shootings overall, with more characterized as a dispute or grievance. Suburban and rural, wealthier, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which had the highest fatalities per incident. Overall, more than half of the 166 fatalities were the result of school-targeted shootings."

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019...hootings-trnd/

"CNN’s review found that shootings at predominately white schools have an average of three casualties. That's twice the average of the number of shooting victims at predominantly black and Hispanic schools.

Mostly white schools also have more mass shootings, like the ones at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and Sandy Hook Elementary, typically carried out by young white males while school is in session."


whoever thinks its not white guys doing the mass school shootings needs to get their head out of their ass

here is a 52 page pdf report made by the GAO

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-455.pdf

The cartels need to import their guns from America, not the other way around. They are big US gun right advocates. They'll have to start dealing with the Albanians more if the US turns the faucet off, but I think that was a smaller point to his overall argument. Why doesn't Chicago put a 5 year minimum sentence on illegal gun possession? I guess because probably prison doesn't work but what's the enforcement plan for additional gun control? I think it's a fair question given current laws don't seem to be doing much.

So we should only focus on school shootings instead of all shootings so we can blame white men? Yeah, that doesn't sound racist at all.

I never said I am doing this so I can blame white men. Thats an idea thats in your head. Do you think that society likes to make things up and pin them on white men? are you aware that white men run the govt and the economy and the media?


all shootings are going to be a result of a violent population that is well armed. It is not a problem. School shootings targeting innocent kids are a problem.

if school shootings followed the same pattern then we would see some sort of distribution of school shooters between women and men, and amongst all of the races.

Since we do not see any statistically significant amount of female school shooters, we can see that it is in issue for certain groups of people, not for everyone.

From there the data is clear, its white men doing the school shootings where they try to kill the students for no reason. Gang violence and people killing each other over disagreements are not the same or similar to people deciding to try and kill as many kids and people as possible.

its not racist to point out that the privileged, unhappy whites are the ones causing the school shootings. I am not saying any race is better than the other and I am not causing harm to any discriminated or protected class.

According to CNN (they pulled data from 2020 census) white people make up 60% of the US population and according to your link 60% of the mass murders so about what we'd expect them to do. Latino's are 18%, but only do 9% of mass murders. Black people are 12%, but commit 20%. Asians are 6%, but do 8% of the mass murders.

So it looks like latino's are committing the fewest mass murders against expected where black people and Asians are doing more than their fair share and white's are doing as you'd expect.

So saying white people are perpetrating more mass murders than expected is just wrong.

why would u get any money ?
unless u are the paralyzed victim from someone firing on u instead of the assailant , by poor marksmanship...

latinos are pretty white just btw. And we arent talking about mass shootings, we are talking about school shootings. Maybe I should take a step back,

do you know the difference between a mass school shooting and a mass shooting?


I assumed if there would be a penalty for ****ing up there will be a incentive for saving lives. If you recall I have already stated we need to incentivize whoever takes down the school shooter. Prob give them a salary for life.

So our whole lives we've been taught that latino's are their own race and the census which is supposed to look at such thing still recognized latinos as their own race, but because you can't tell the difference between a white person and a latino we should just put those two groups into one group?

Also, according to YOUR LINK that makes your argument even weaker. Now the group of both whites and latinos together make up 78% of the population and they only commit 69% of the mass murders. Sorry to point out the obvious, but the only other two races left, blacks and asians, are both committing more than expected mass murders. So what is happening is the opposite of what your post initially said unless when you said the "race disparity is clear" you actually were trying to insinuate that we should expect asians and blacks to commit the most mass murders.

So you are blabbering on and on about how murder victims don't matter unless they are killed in bulk in a building specifically designed to educate people and then you posted a link showing instances where people were killed in bulk and not just those killed in bulk in education centers and now you are asking me if I know the difference between bulk killings inside or outside schools? I'm not the one getting them confused, sir.

By the way, when you insinuate people killed in bulk in education centers are far more important than those killed in bulk outside of education centers can you give us a one to ten how important each person is that dies in the following scenario:

killed in bulk in a school
killed in bulk outside of schools, but on school grounds
killed in bulk nowhere near a school
only one person killed in a particular school that day
only one person killed outside of school
killed bulk in a public library (please note that most public libraries also hold free classes on random topics)
killed in bulk at a center where school tutors work
only person killed on school bus on the way to school
killed in bulk on a school fieldtrip
killed in bulk while in class while being home-schooled

In which the forum tries to explain what “white Latino” is to bahba.

I believe that because we live in a modern day quasi spartan society in america, we should expect there to be all kinds of violent acts.

It is not that those deaths dont matter or that they matter more or less, its that those deaths are a part of living in a violent society, they are expected and accounted for.

Data shows mass school shootings are a white male thing. So we should focus on the white males, and by giving them extra money and love and attention we will lower the rates of mass school shootings.

so u dont see anyone absolutely not skilled at all but still owning a gun, trying to shoot the assailant anyway just because he could earn money and make terrible decision that could impact innocent people ?
hell even maybe it thought he was firing at the assailant but stupid as some might be, and seeing a gun, they would shoot at u thinking u were the assailant but they didnt know since u were there first and dint take a chance on checking if u were the ennemy or not because u know , money is good.

I dont think we should discourage people from shooting an active shooter because they are a bad shot. If anything, your argument shows why we need to have better trained civilians. It fits right in with my argument that the govt needs to give us all guns ammo training and therapists

Is your ideal world the old West?

My brain hurts.

I'm not interested in your straw manning. I'm talking about seriously restricting gun access and enforcing the law nationwide. Unlike narcotics, guns aren't produced at scale in clandestine factories. It would be much easier to clamp down on gun sales then narcotics. It would obviously never go to zero but that doesn't mean a drastic reduction wouldn't occur. It's not like Europe doesn't get guns smuggled in from the east, yet without guns readily available to everyone we don't have the shootings the US does and we're not awash in criminals terrorizing the population. That's a nonsense fear.

While I appreciate your willingness to innovate a thesis, this concept exists only in your mind.
The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was citizen militias, not state police forces

repeal 2a and then do buybacks while eventually going door to door

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There are like 430,000,000 firearms here.
https://www.guns.com/news/2020/11/17...-ars-150m-mags

Do you understand what 400,000,000 of something means?

There comes a point in this argument when you quickly sort out who does and doesn't comprehend what 'scale' means and how it applies to this problem.
The dumber retreat into infantilism, or just ignore it all together.

If you truly, truly understand what something like "400,000,000" means, and you propose to restrict that same thing to a degree that would meaningfully influence access so bad stuff stopped happening, I'd like to hear a solution that involves actual, workable details.

This debate has raged (hard) since the 1960s. At a few points along the way (very much so in 1968) we came very close to enacting actual 'bans' but the consequences were deemed too high, relative to actual impact it would have... We probably had less than 100,000,000 guns then, but it was deemed utterly unworkable (by politicians who were actual policy wonks and not the ******s we have today_)

"Americans are 25 times more likely to die of a gun related homicide than any other high income nation"

that means that you basically can't die of a gun anywhere else ( in a high income nation) which is huge.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-violence-statistics/

that means you basically eliminate the chances of dying by a gun by living outside the US. by living in Europe bubble has eliminated the chances of being a victim of a gun crime or any crime leading to his death at all. (depending if he is in a high income nation which he is)

I encourage anyone to read this page specialized in the unique American crisis of gun crimes.

I wouldnt feel safe knowing that anyone can have a crisis like in the movie with Kurt Douglas where he just goes nuts and then shoots everyone. there are too many idiots and they can't all be armed to the teeth. we just heard about a guy that got pissed off at the cars passing by his house cause he lived at a street. he just shot randomly at passing cars and killed a woman. How many of these cases are there? people go nuts, that's for certain. given a certain age or circumstances the brain just malfunctions and then? guns and mental problems don't fit together.
as the leading nation of mental problems it's time to reconsider things. the founding fathers lived in times of duells and martial laws. I think it was Jefferson who died in a a duell with Burr. the fathers also were almost all against standing armies. to fall back on their 2nd am. there is insane. those were differnt times. they made this law if you really wanna know only for one reason and that was that the original law was that only people of a certain group could own guns. only whites with land. the new law changes that so everyone was armed now. which made sense. now it doesn't anymore.

FOR what's it's worth I think women who were in abusive relationships should be given guns automatically by the state for their own protection and then people who are really responsible and do tests regularly such as hunters and for sports and for protection. but they need to do these tests.

False dilemma.

A) My ideal world would involve no violence.
B) If not A, then my ideal world would be "a world with no guns"
C) If not B, then my ideal world would be "a world with few guns"
D) If not C, then my ideal world would be "a world where only good people have guns"
E) If not D, then my ideal world would be "a world where good people have the same access to guns as bad people"

The fatal flaw of all naive idealists is they insist on arguing everything on whatever (A) premise they invent, then live in denial that actual reality is actually some (E, F, G, H) down shot of that and while we should work to arrive at A, they never have a blueprint to get there, other than saying anyone who disagrees with them is an ignorant, uneducated (x)ist.

In short, posit a 10 question quiz on actual gun policy and gun law history to most anyone screeching about wanting to ban guns and observe how they get literally 0 correct, across the board. This is why they lose, even if public sentiment is on their side, at times.

The problem this would cause would be vastly worse than the issue of gun crime and mass shootings.
This is why deep naivete driven by nothing more than idealism has no role in actual policy.

They support **** like this while being unable to rationally estimate the actual consequences.