Trump's best moves are his committment to not being taken over by China. Removing funding for WHO (a Chinese puppet) and now attemtping to make the US independent of China in drug manufacturing.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ply-chains-us/


Media outlets say Trump is "racist" for his stance againsts China. No, it's not the Chinese people who are the problem. It's the Communist Party of China. There has been no coup since they slaughtered hundreds of millions of their own people in the past century. They opened up their economy, but they still have complete and utter control. This is the most important issue of our lifetimes. Trump is the most important president since the cold war. Domestic policies notwithstanding, a vote against Trump will be dangerous going forward.


Chinese kidnapping of children:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ


CCP and missing persons who are high profile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLKDaZrgCc

Do they? Which? How?

The relations between the relatively declining America and the roaring superpower China is the most important bilateral relationship of our times. But, antagonism isn't likely to be the best policy, especially when coupled with threatening to retreat the troops and presence from places like South Korea.

In what world is his approach the best?!


Whether or not I agreed with you, the way he's going about it is awful. Consensus building on an international scale is whats required if he wants to achieve his aims, not going about it with a blunt stick. He's alienated Europe, and risked breaking up NATO.


Trump cosies up to other dictators. Trump isn't doing this because they China is evil.

OP, what is the imminent danger you see China presenting to the US, which Trump will address but other presidents won't?

If you're concerned about human rights violations, I agree with you, but unfortunately that is not something which overly concerns Trump, as exemplified by his visibly soft stance on e.g. Saudi Arabia.

Imminent isn't the right word. Whether it's ten, twenty, or fifty years out is irrelevant. I don't want to see my loved ones depend on China, even if economically. Do you?

As for whether or not it concerns Trump, I don't care what's in the man's heart. I care about actions. Presidents aren't supposed to be nice guys. Saudi Arabia isn't in the position to crush the west economically as we aren't dependent on their oil anymore.

What do you mean by depending on China? What are the concrete actions that Trump will take that other presidents won't to prevent this happening?

A quick google serach will pull up hundreds of articles calling his messages racist regarding China.

As for South Korea, that's Trump's negotiating style. Do you really think South Korea is offended and will turn to China for support? There's not a chance in the world. The USA saved Korea from China 70 years ago. It's fine if Trump wants them to remember that, the 50+ thousand American men who died there.

His approach is the best in the "real" world. Other countries respect strength, not appeasement.

Did you read a single one of those articles? Trump is accused of being racist for calling COVID "The China Virus" and "Kung Flu", not for any economic policies.

Do you think other leaders see Trump as strong, or as an easily manipulated buffoon?

Look at my OP.

Depending on China means: drug manufacturing, losing the dollar as the world's reserve currency, losing influence in the world. Americans who don't travel much may not realize how much the rest of the world depends on America as a world power and how much things would suck if they lose out to China. It's about leverage.

It is the China virus. Why is that racist to you? We name viruses after the places they originated. The CCP committed crimes against humanity by covering it up.



This is a silly question, but I think other leaders depend on America, and Trump is making sure they don't take advantage of us anymore. I know how people in my country view America - Vietnam. 99% of them love Trump because he is tough on China, their worst enemy. Asia is very afraid of China's control over the South "China" Sea (not the name for it here) and the Mekong River. At any moment they can choke out other southeast Asian countries. Given their human rights record, who's to say they won't?

What are the concrete actions you think Trump will take to prevent these things from happening that other presidents won't?

There is another thread here discussing that particular issue. However, in your OP you stated:

Do you now accept that they are not saying he is racist for his stance against China, they are saying he is racist for using terms like "China Virus" and "Kung Flu"?


I could equally say that the majority of people in my country - the UK - hate Trump for equally or more important reasons. His stance on China might be #1 on your priority list, but it's not #1 on everyone's.

What are the concrete actions you think Trump will take to prevent China from taking advantage of us, that other presidents won't?

No one called it the China Virus. People are now calling it to deflect attention.

Thats racist.

If it was called the China virus first its different.

Look at my OP again. You seem to not understand things.

He's the only president to be tough on China. Obama handed the keys over to Iran, why would he be tough on anyone? Biden's son receives money from China. I like Trump over Biden here, even though Biden's gaffes are entertaining to watch.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we...na-11570181403

Not his policies like you said though.


Its not about offending. Its about trust + capability. South Korea will rely less on America knowing its not trusted.

They didn't die for the benefit of South Korea, they died for the benefit of America.


No it isn't.

So you're saying you want the CCP to be able to spin things however they want (naming a virus) but if someone else does it, it's racist? Got it.

You seem to not understand my question.

You listed two things in your OP:

- Removing funding for WHO (a Chinese puppet)
- Attemtping to make the US independent of China in drug manufacturing.

One of these is a concrete action, one is a vague statement regarding some sort of aspiration. As stated, I have to assume that your position is removing funding from the WHO will prevent all the disasters you list from coming to pass. Or do you have any other concrete actions Trump will take that other presidents won't?

The coronavirus was discovered and named in the 1930's. It is a commonly referred to virus. It is well known.


It is what everyone was reporting, particularly the strain Covid-19. It was not named by "China".

lol inb4 ccp defense force

even international disputes between super powers is racist these days

ps : i would quit while you're ahead this forum despises anything american

There is a reason they want to forget about China is so they can put more blame onto Trump

some people would cut their own legs off if it resulted in Trump losing

Feel free to answer the questions posed by the "CCP defense force" instead of AIDSing up yet another thread with your usual zero-content hyper-partisan drivel.

Reliance isn't just about personal choice. It's about things like IP, manufacturing, financial leverage, military protection. When faced with two alternatives, South Korea will choose the democratic America vs the Totalitarian China. It's silly to think Trump's words would change that.

So South Korea would be better off had the US not gone in?

Are you sure it wasn't about containment?

https://www.history.com/topics/korea...20the%20Allies.

This article relies on poll data from regular citizens, who are not educated on China because mainstream media doesn't report it (and is often funded by China). World leaders are better informed than average Joes on the street.

And this could be the failure of democracy and the victory of totalitarian states.

Are you concerned about authoritarianism in general, or about China specifically? Because there are a lot of authoritarian states Trump seems to be very soft on, and even envy. His appeasement of Russia, North Korea and Saudi Arabia is of concern to many for that reason. What if while Trump is busy fighting with China, Russia steps into the power vacuum. Would you find that concerning?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/w...lia-china.html

Article on China's broad efforts to undermine democracy abroad, especially in Australia.

WeChat is undoubtedly part of that. Imagine the US government having and exercising the ability to eliminate every anti-US article and promote every anti-China article on Facebook/Instagram. That's what CCP is doing with WeChat now.

This is not to say I think an outright ban on WeChat is the right move. I think a better move is to require WeChat to have American/European servers where content out of reach of CCP censors (they can block it inside China) can be hosted. At least try that first before an outright ban.

Chinese leadership is thoroughly nationalist, and effective, much to the detriment of lost of their world. Their trade measures that are thoroughly anti-competitive. They've gutted the British steel industry through price gouging and we will suffer for it.

That said, Trumps's actions aren't helping, and as the effective leader of the Western World, he's impacting all of us. If this becomes the norm, Europe, South America, and Africa is likely to move away from the USA to other respective power hubs. This is bad for the world.


The Chinese state didn't respond well to Coronavirus, and that really sucks. We've suffered heavily for it. Trump is thoroughly responsible however for America's situation with respect to the pandemic.