There's a lot more in the GA voting bill than voter ID laws.

And:

These.

Who cares? There's no reason this needs to be a partisan issue - it's a law that makes voting more difficult in a number of ways, which is something that everyone should be against. I couldn't care less which party it helps.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/polit...ned/index.html

Them or Phoenix.

When blue check mark twitter (idk this guy) starts complaining about censorship on YouTube that is sort of funny.

He's funny and whimsical. You'd like him.

Politics/voting doesn't seem to have many total blowouts. There are a lot of things especially once you get down to the local level that are practically dead heats. Eeking out some room wherever you can may start to look attractive. And things don't necessarily need to be tied to facts or reality in the present(or I guess even at all really)--but just perceptions or fears about where things might be headed in the future.

No, a commentator in the NYT is hypothesizing that it might not negatively impact Democrats, which is a) not the same and b) irrelevant.

Your linked article is a political commentator thinking out loud in an Op-Ed, not "empirical data".

Other than that, you have spent an entire thread arguing that an online cultural movement where people speak their mind is a threat to liberalism.

Here you have law passed by legislature which is fairly transparent in its attempt to distribute unequal voting access, and also wants to move considerable amounts of power to the legislature for deciding election outcomes. Fair election outcomes and voting are two of the most quintessential liberal rights. It's also one of what is likely to be hundreds of similar laws passed by GOP legislatures, the likely factor in the hurry being that their party lost the presidential election.

It doesn't get much more anti-liberalism than that.

I also link peer-reviewed research, which you conveniently ignored. I also am not defending the law. I can also use my freedom of expression to be critical of your outrage. But if you want to silence my criticism, I doubt many people here would object. Just like folks on your side of aisle don't object when speech that is critical of the left or it's ideas, are silenced, but pretend they are not. It doesn't surprise me you have to be dishonest about what exactly I'm being critical of in that other thread.

No you are missing the point.

What Dem's are outraged by is them seeing that Republicans across the country are trying to undermine the very foundations of Democracy so they can take and hold power even then cannot win via votes.

When people see any gaming of the system, especially one as important as democracy that will upset them if they are on the suppression end and especially if you just spent a hundred years fighting to throw out the same type of suppression tactics they are now trying to bring back.

This is fundamental choke point to address the "other things that disenfranchise people" that you think they should focus on.

If you don't have power, via gov't, because they stole it from you it makes addressing and fixing those other things that much more difficult. Especially when the party who stole your power is generally hostile to the changes you want.

I'm guessing a lot of people don't know this, but he used PEDs for a competitive edge during his career. Amphetamines

On topic:

I think people should note that when the NBA, MLB, etc make these political statements, it's borne out of profit motive. We can make some arguments about free speech and point out "corporations are people" from the effervescent bastion of freedom, Mitt Romney, but let's not forget this country is rooted in capitalism. Every business does every thing for profit, not morality. Even charity work is done with an interest in raising a profile, tax benefits, or just plain pretending one gives a **** about a cause, tugging at the heartstrings of the mindless but empathetic and kind. MLB, NBA, NHL, whatever, they're all caught in this whirlwind of everyone arguing everything and I'm betting the ad execs can't keep up on all the splits...Be mindful that a moral cause might only be emphasized for the simple fact that it might actually be the optimal business decision in coincidence

Decades ago, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf basically got disowned by the NBA for his protests of the anthem. Today we have Nike building an entire ad campaign around Colin Kaepernick and the NBA had that wave of speaking out mid-games during the covid bubble season/protests after what happened to Floyd, Arbery, Taylor and others...

The MLB can do whatever it wants, I'm basically never going to take sports leagues seriously because they contradict themselves so often because they're not interested in doing what's right. They're interested in making money. That's never going to change unless people choose to change. It can't just be Michael Jordan pledging $100mil over ten years from Jordan Brand. That only happened because of an intense wave of national and even global protests over the killings last summer. The pressure and Jordan maybe actually seeing how ****ed up things are on film in real time. Do that **** unprompted and without pressure and then maybe I'll think he's not the guy who said "Republicans buy sneakers too" when he chose not to use his platform to speak on politics back in the 80s and 90s. Why is it always after the tragedies that we do something?

Corporations are amoral.

Also just wanted to say that there is literally no need to read this thread. The topic is pure, regurgitated bullshit. Want a summary? It's the same bullshit that's gone on for decades. Republicans are intentionally trying to make voting harder because it benefits them. As per usual, they lie through their teeth, cheat (gerrymandering), and steal (every voter suppression effort ever) and will do so endlessly until it is stopped in its tracks. I still fear the damage due to be done from the courts being stacked nationwide and at the highest level during Trump's obscene, corrupt-filled, blood-sucking, leech-laden term...Still almost surprised the election wasn't overturned. Not gonna lie, I was totally holding my breath

And of course the usual right wing nut jobs will center their focus on the Democrats with their projection and whataboutism. Yeah Democrats are a problem and hypocrites too, but voter suppression is massively about Republicans literally wanting to be un-American and point at "the left" while doing so. And the usual morons lap it up...

I personally would like to see a bi-partisan effort, a robust effort, to get (and fund amply) everyone ID and an easy way to get ID if one loses one. Rural poor should have just as easy a time getting ID as rich ****s who have people wipe their ass for them. National holiday for voting, auto reg, the usual sensible stuff that the other developed, non-insane countries are doing

I am not stern on the ID thing for a few reasons and concerns, but in my mind, being able to ID everyone helps account for everyone in terms of a better safety net among other things that I hope we take steps toward. I have no opinion on the infrastructure plan, but universal broadband makes sense. It seems like a basic necessity these days and while people will question helping the rurals everyone ignores, I would say we can save money by eliminating dumb **** that still exists like snail mail and the penny. Internet access is a powerful tool and we learned during covid how easily many of us can work from home, learn, and reduce our carbon footprint due to it. ****. I'm off topic again. Just sayin, the IDs don't just have to be evil statist weapons. They can serve a purpose in this brave new world we deal with. I can't list any specifics off my mind, but I feel like there will be many. Blockchain might serve a purpose here. We really might be able to cut costs elsewhere by spending on IDs and infrastructure now

If nothing else, can we at least have a goal of having more actual voters on elections than American Idol? We deserve to be a global laughingstock for that alone. It's a disgrace, and I say that as someone who doesn't vote and believes it's a fundamental American right to choose to not vote. But it should still be encouraged nonetheless imo

So the Commissioner of baseball pulls the all star game out of Georgia but as Marco Rubio points out no chance he is cancelling his membership at Augusta

Plus does Colorado also have similar voter restrictions?

lozen i addressed this with you prior.

The US allows State by State to decide most voting rules.

So by default the answer to your question is they will all mostly have some different rules and some similar rules and that is not the issue so don't strawman this.

The issue is about 'progression' Versus 'regression' in Rights and Allowances, and understandable so.

If you are a POC or Woman who for hundreds of years had to fight for basic rights you will be rightly outraged if you see any govt body trying to take BACK rights you fought to gain.

You may also separately be fighting within States to continue to expand rights. You can also be pointing out to the States who are on the lower side of State rights they are behind the curve and need to do more. But that is a separate issue (thus your stawmanning).

But what you CANNOT do, is try to find the lowest common denominator (worse State in terms of rights) and act as if it wrong to point out any regression in another State as long as you can point to a worse State.

'Assess where you are now, in terms of rights and allowance and strive to always improve' can be a valid premise to believe in and when regression is seen it can rightly trigger outrage.

Agreed?

I just typed in the title "Voter Photo ID Has Sent Me Into Hiding" and watched it on YouTube. Guess YouTube changed its mind?

NO I agree but more my comments are to corporate society. What Georgia did based on the lie is the problem. Sometimes timing and optics.....
There are things in that bill that are outrageous and Ill say it again the fact that anyone needs to stand in line longer than 30 minutes is a joke.
I also agree that a federal mandate would be great but not HR1 as usual they throw in crap that has nothing to do with voter rights just rigging the game for Democrats.
Also doesnt Gerry mandering happen with both sides?

I think it's a pretty big deal given Trump lied a ton about election fraud and made bizarre claims that Pence could simply overturn it which caused a storming of the capitol. This was a clear time for republicans to denounce the nonsense. Instead they proceeded as if it was all true and the election really was stolen. If Trump's behavior becomes normalized and replicated on the right over the next few decades it will have a major impact. It seems that's what they want.

The republican outrage over companies wading into politics is the arbitrary part. They already give millions to both parties thanks to interpretations of law created by republicans. Why pretend to be mad that they are entering politics when you put out a welcome mat and have been cashing their checks for years?

Trump was a fool not accepting the election . I am sure Glad democrats like Stacy Abrams and Hilary Clinton would never do that Oh wait.

You are right big Business hedges their bets always and here they did also. MLB had no issue signing a streaming deal in China as well .
Damn I just picked up a dishwasher and they demanded my ID twice them racists

Your money as a form of Political Speech is welcome. Your voice and commentary on the issues can be summed up as 'shut up and dribble'.

over half the republican party(the actual people) actually believes the election was stolen(according to Reuters polls). they have literally been taken over by conspiracy theories. the politicians that aren't ****ing nuts are too terrified to speak out against the conspiracy theories because their voters believed trump's lies.

for people that love to shout slippery slope!! slippery slope!! at every bit of change, its interesting that you have the usual 2+2 contingent saying that restricting future voting access based on conspiracy theories and lies is no big deal

You do realize that most people that answer polls live alone in their parents basement searching the internet for conspiracy theories.
There the same ones that end up on juries

meh. boomers mostly answer polls.

i would think actual conspiracy theorists like luckbox are probably the least likely to answer questions and submit them to some hidden database that tracks their answers.

Our mindless truth teller strikes again . Hilary Clinton literally gave a concession speech Lolzen. I know it's super easy to pretend both sides are the same and it takes real thinking, not your strong suit, to understand the asymmetries. But your political commentary is worthless if you can't do it.

I wonder how much -actual- fraud takes place in the form of children/family/nursing home workers etc. of ancient senior citizens by hijacking their mail-in ballots. When I try to picture someone essentially impersonating another person they don't know or whatever at a polling place--I kinda have a hard time imagining anyone trying to slide in and vote in their place. It just seems so dumb/risky and easy to get caught. I usually know at least some of the people volunteering everywhere I've voted and it's just kinda hard to imagine someone presenting themselves falsely and getting away with it to any real degree.

See, I'm not going to defend Republicans, they are operating their self interest as a political party. So are Democrats. That's politics. What I will tell you is, the right believes businesses are a net positive for society, despite knowing they are selfish. When that benefit is corrupted, like having an AS game in the south east, in pretty much the capital of civil rights movement, being moved because of politics, the right knows it was for selfish reasons, and not for social justice..the benefit businesses gives is reduced, consequently support for them erode.

You think anybody's going to be talking about the voting law at the all-star game this year, now? Whether you agree or not about it being low impact, hurting the people you wanting to help in order to make a political point is just terrible, not to mention removing a platform right in the heart of the state that you have an issue with..

The goal should be to influence voters to vote those legislators out... How do you do that from Colorado, and moving the All-Star game? You essentially pissed off the people you're trying to convince to change the legislators. Great job!

No what Trump did does not compare to what Hilary did. Yes she conceded but after that any chance she got she referred to him as the illegitimate president.
Stacy Abrams refused to concede

Literally nobody expected Trump to concede or not call Biden illegitimate. He made specific false allegations of fraud against specific dem areas. Given they had no basis whatsoever in truth this was probably a first for a sitting POTUS. He completely made up powers for the Vice President that don't exist and got people killed as a result. And the republicans actions are to pass laws as if his behavior was justified. But lets pretend like the real issue is coke or MLB not properly applying your totally biased fairness doctrine.