ah yeah, the deep state emerges from the shadows to enact what they really want all along, conjugal visits for aging mafioso

thank god we're fighting that evil in America so i can safely die a virgin

I really don't understand your take on this.

Topic is "the deep state did a ton of stuff in italy for decades, without normal political approval (not as tools of the state, rather as independent entities with their own goals)", including trying to craft a deal with the mafia to have the mafia stop terrorist acts (which they did, not a bomb anymore from then since like 1994).

Some of the things the mafia required (we have a "papello" ie a piece of paper with the requests written down) was achieved, hundreds of mafia big guys in 1993 had their super-harsh regime removed.

Not sure why you are lolling at the idea, my main point was in one civilized very important country in the world the deep state did false flag terroristic attacks, crafted deals with the mafia, prepared a coup in case of "too leftist" of a government , and in general acted illegally, unconstitutionally, and with only very partial agreement of elected leaders (depending on the circumstances and details) basically to keep communists out of power till the dissolution of the italian communist party.

This doesn't mean the deep state does organize terrorist attacks in the USA or elsewhere, but it counters the claim of "it would be impossible for the deep state to do that", the feasibility claim, because well, we have enough examples in Italy of such things being possible for the deep state.

And for the USA we have examples of many deep state operations in foreign countries by the CIA (typically though with elected leaders approval). Why is it so incredible to think rogue deep state actors might have done something domestically as well in the USA? i agree for 9 11 specifically it's implausible they actually organized that in detail.

But some deep state actors might have wanted it to happen so interfered with pre-attack procedures and so on, to maximize the chance of it happening. Why not?

Did not read lol. Anyway, broseph, tell me more about this book you like where some dude is sucking off a strap on. This was probably my favourite post from you. So far.

funny you mention Italy in a conspiracy thread

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

I did as an actual historical example of plenty of deep state operations in a civilized and rich country but for some reason he thinks i am trolling about it

ya I just saw your post.

we have so many examples of this stuff. but people automatically reject that its possible. propaganda is a flawless victory in the west.

When planes crash, they dont leave debris for miles.

When planes are shot down out of the sky with missiles, they leave debris for miles

Which one of the flights of 9/11 left debris and why?

i should have known talk of state sponsored blowjobs would bring you into the thread

In italy the details , the extent of the operations and so on are controversial, but the fact that the deep state (which we call the "poteri forti", the strong powers) were deeply involved in underground, illegal stuff domestically, against or at the very least parallel to the will of elected politicians, is uncontroversial.

Yes. A cousin to this is when the conspiracy is so big, it no longer requires a conspiracy.

Every journalist, most judges, everyone who works for polling firms, every person who studies or monitors elections, many Republican politicians etc. Not just in the US, but the whole world. They all hate Trump so much that they are willing to flush their personal and professional integrity down the toilet lto cover up the stolen election. Even though many of them are Republicans, or other country's equivalent.

If everyone hates Trump so much, maybe people just didn't vote for him.

For stuff like this, I just kind of assume experts are aware of it and have concluded that it's clean.

Somewhat lazy, but I lack the time and energy to learn all about the subject and reach an informed conclusion.

Prior to the Iraq war, for example, experts said Saddam was not connected to Islamism and in fact they hated each other more than they hated the US. This lead me to disbelieve the official narrative put forward by most press and politicians. And the CIA never assassinated said experts.

If there was good evidence that plane was shot down, I suppose something similar would happen, especially as it wouldn't even be that objectionable to shoot it down in an open field rather than waiting for it to hit its target.

Oh, man. You've gone and done it now. You've said the magic word. Lucifer, I mean, Luciom has a lot of things to say about "experts". And, I mean, a lot.

has it been confirmed that luciom is toothsayer?

been leaning that way for a while but the ts account is unbanned IIRC so don't understand the new identity

Well, he is pretty toothy. Have to teach the kids how to do nice blowies, you know.

Is tooth slayer Italian?

Rick roll?

idk but he did live in Europe - spent the lockdown in Croatia which is a big vacation spot for eyetalians

i don't understand your question

in my perspective we have figured out most of 9/11, read the wiki recently and a lot of unanswered stuff like where the 4th plane was headed and such which was unanswered at the time and i kind of forgot about has since been figured out and announced

i imagine the gov knows even more and it will all get declassified in my lifetime - so it doesn't really seem like much of a mystery to me

as far as "this idea" I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I'm an extremely well read person who has been on the inside making that sausage working both in international journalism and as a government contracted researcher so i feel pretty confident in my worldview as it's the product of spending my life traveling the globe and reading nonfiction perhaps 10+ hours every single week of my life - but i guess by your definition that means I'm part of the deep state and therefore just posting here as a psyop to dismiss and redirect

rekt

engorged

When the far right do not get their candy it can only be because an evil person (anything not far right) from the deep state act on it .

I'm decently well read as well but I don't get my politics from Camus or Nabokov.

Vague nothingburger

i never meant to imply you weren't well read - i actually really enjoy our conversations believe it or not because you're very well informed on stuff and usually take a pretty wild perspective of it IMO instead of following occum's razor

I'm not sure if the camus and nabokov are a response to an implied dig at nonfiction or a statement that's where i get my worldview from but i sadly haven't read either (yet)

but i have listened to these songs (unsure if lola=lolita or not but it's close enough i guess and also equally forbidden love)