I said directly or indirectly .
Ok so they wanted a full war for what ?
To sell arms ?

Did u ever heard of Iran-contra scandal for example ?
That’s post Vietnam war .
The U.S. don’t need to be personally implicated in a war to sell arms .
Especially an invasion war that last like 3 weeks in Irak ?

FWIW the US had to say (lie) WMD to go in , which was a much more bigger threat then 9/11….
So no idea why u think 9/11 was needed shrug .

It’s ok to believe like u do the US needs to kill its own citizens to go to war , I personally don’t ….
They can find or create other “US problems” to justify a war.
Even using black ops to works for their ennemies I figure .

And the worst is , to believes hundreds “patriots” would all be for it and still to this day be silent ?

Way too much “ if” to my taste when far more easier explanations exist . .

+1

Do you ever get the feeling that what actually happened on 9/11 doesn't matter in a 9/11 conspiracy discussion?

The official narrative of what happened on 9/11 is probably the most implausible conspiracy theory of them all.

I enjoy conspiracy theories. It good campfire marshmallow toastin fun that brings folks together for some laughs.

None of that matters until you can figure out how people could keep a secret.

Luckbox, have you been indulging in the coca today?

So tell us what did happen.

Have you figured it out?

If the elites are able to keep the facts from the masses, it would be a bad bet to bet against your position even if im right.

So how are the sufferers of severe mongolism spinning world events?

it's like that time that guy flopped a set of 3s vs my aces, he obviously rigged the deck to benefit from it

I busted my biggest ever buy-in live tourney (only 1k EUR lol, but I've played like 5 live tourneys in my life) with a flopped set of 3s in the SB. UTG flopped a set of queens. GG.

my favorite part of these conspiracies of all powerful entities that operate in the shadows but control everything is that if they existed and were capable of such things, they'd just cut out the middle man and do what they actually wanted to do in the first place

can you imagine being able to pull off 9-11, fool the entire world, keep hundreds of people involved quiet and complacent in the coverup and yet not be able to just directly invade Iraq

the paradox of the "deep state" is that if there was a deep state that's as powerful as claimed then they wouldn't need to hide in the shadows and more importantly, they would prevent some anti deep state crusader like trump from ever being in a position to run for president in the first place, let alone win

You are too realist to be true on both account -> for them !

I never believed the USG was behind 9/11, but lol at the alphabet soup not knowing it was gonna happen

Broke-brains, bless their hearts.

Islam out there targeting the infidel a couple weeks ago in Russia. Guess they permitted that to happen. the mooslims being relatively incapable camel jockeys is the inference

What do you think is more important in getting to the bottom of 9/11: the actual events that happened that day or this idea that you have about the world?

We had quite a powerful deep state in Italy for a while that actually organized (or allowed even when it could prevent them) terrorist activities, infiltrated groups and caused them to become more agitated (to justify repression) and so on.

The reason usually is to achieve political results, be they votes for or against specific parties or laws being discussed and/or popular consensus.

Doesn't need to be thought as something "omnipotent" nor monolithic (different people in the deep state might have different goals).

But I never understood why the infeasibility claim is made for the idea in the USA, when at least one g7 country (Italy) had exactly that for decades, and with inferior technology.

So, you know when I mentioned that I'd lost with a set of 3s? That was in the "IPT". I think that stands for "Italian Poker Tour". So, yeah, Are-Tay, you got me. So rigged.

It doesn't need to make rational sense only to hold the worldview that western governments aren't evil together.

lol at italy being run by the deep state, even harder lol at italy g7

not fully run by the deep state, but the deep state (actual "deviated" secret services and so on) did a lot of stuff in the 70s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

The strategy of tension is most closely identified with the Years of Lead in Italy from 1968 to 1982, wherein far-left Marxist groups, far-right neo-fascist extra-parliamentary groups and state intelligence agencies performed bombings, kidnappings, arsons, and murders

I mean when even wiki tells you that explicitly and it isn't even flagged as controversial, it's hard to deny it

Later , we have decent proofs of a deal between the deep state and the mafia to stop mafia terrorist attacks (which were very common in the early 90s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-Mafia_Pact

In 1964 the deep state organized a coup that didn't materialize only because the government (which was the first leftist one since ww2, with socialists as ministers) lost a vote of confidence, and the new one was more moderate. But the Carabinieri were deployed to take control of RAI buildings in Milan and Rome among other things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Solo

Piano Solo was an envisaged plot for an Italian anti-communist coup in 1964 requested by then president of the Italian Republic, Antonio Segni. It was prepared by the commander of the Carabinieri, Giovanni de Lorenzo [it], in the beginning of 1964 in close collaboration with the Italian secret service SIFAR, CIA secret warfare expert Vernon Walters, then chief of the CIA station in Rome William King Harvey, and Renzo Rocca [it], director of the Gladio units within the military secret service SID. It was named Solo (Italian for "alone" or "only") because it was supposed to be directed only by the Carabinieri.[1]

In those years, between the 60s and the 90s, Italy was bouncing around as the 4th/5th/6th economy in the world, so i am not sure what you mean with "lol at italy g7"

today i learned that anyone you don't like or any bad actors are all the deep state

mafia = deep state lol

you troll too hard son, you need to find some more balance

Man have you read? it's about secret services meeting mafia guys to craft a deal without the elected government approval.

Mafia was mainly interested on house arrest for old mafia bosses, spouse visitation rights and so on and on, which the state removed with the "41-bis", an hyper-harsh prison regime which strips mafiosos of most prisoners rights