Civilisation has faced a lot worse and has kept on keeping along. This won;t cause a point of no return.

Imagine being more worried about drug addicts harm reduction then climate change or the increasing gap between the rich and poor

Like, we've had several "hottest summer on record" in a row, and people died in Texas because the electrical grid couldn't handle demand due to lack of winterization, but the real crisis is drugs... It's been what, 40+ years of the war on drugs? How's that going?

I was actually thinking of climate change when reading Lag's point of no return for civilisation remark.

There's an entire cottage industry dedicated to making conservatives hopping mad over the dumbest, most inconsequential **** imaginable. Oh noes, it's a cringy but well-meaning billboard in San Francisco, better blast it all over Twitter and scream about the end of human civilization. Our whole civilization was based on shaming meth heads, that was the cornerstone of it all.

Can we get this entire tangent on Cuepee subtweeting his feed of worst possible examples of the evil left gone astray that has nothing to do with trans issues put into the containment thread?

I agree with street level campaigns that target the most vulnerable and do the types of 'harm reduction techniques' you are speaking to, such as needle exchange, etc.

I do not, however think taking out giant billboards to advertise these things is targeting that street level person at all. I do not think they are the ones reading them, nor do they have any impact.

Those billboards ARE NOT targeted at the community that needs the help, and are a waste of money and resources which could be far better spend on more street level harm reduction and outreach.

These campaigns, intended or not, are doing what we prohibited the smoking industry from doing with their more veiled campaigned to socialize smoking.

The cigarette industry would love to mirror those 3 billboards with language they could 'say' was trying to deter people from smoking and get them to not to engage and be able to use words like:

- change it up
- do it with friends
- be empowered, not ashamed

while stating their goal is to reduce smoking.


We would all see thru it though, with regards to big tobacco and not allow it. Similarly we had such clarity when it came to simply the image of a waif thin model who was actually fit and healthy and how that impact others, especially young girls to normalize it and set unhealthy body images and yet when morbidly obese Tess Holiday is put on the cover of the same magazines and celebrated as 'Healthy at Any Size', somehow it is the 'Left' who then defend it and those on the left who do not, already know their place and to shut up and just not comment, knowing the more radical elements in the far left will attack and demonize them if they speak out.

If the waif imagery is harmful there should be no denying the morbidly obese imagery is harmful, and yet here we are that someone like me has to be 'brave' and willing to be an outcast to say it and those who quietly agree with me will stay mostly silent but try to find some tangential way to agree with the far left attackers to signal they are generally on the same side.

In today's society the far left rules discussion and there is no denying the more centre left has been cowed by them into just opting for silence and that has become very dangerous as we only have the far left and the far right driving discussions more and more often now.

"well meaning" lefties are amongst the most dangerous groups on the planet and that I mean earnestly.

One of the things 'well meaning' lefties have done is group any activates that may put any pressure on the "meth heads" or others who struggle with addiction as 'shaming', because some who do attempt to over come their addiction, do in fact fail, and do in fact feel additional shame, and do in fact commit suicide or fall into worse addiction.

Well meaning lefties see that progression to worse results for 'some' and think the answer then is to eliminate all such pressure and label it all as 'shaming' to ensure no one the left raises them again.

What the 'well meaning lefties' do not see or care to see, is the loss of the impact on those who succeeded due to that prior path, of 'shame' based initiatives. So you end up with less people escaping addiction, more people harmed, etc but they are ok with that as it is harder to quantify. You cannot prove anyone who is currently struggling would have succeeded if such 'shaming campaigns' were still in place. You cannot see 'better outcomes that never materialize'.

Plus the 'well meaning left' has endless compassion for the growing number of sick. 'Welcome to all new members', of this growing cohort.

Time and time and time again, we see the far left utilize this exact same play book, and as situation only get worse and worse and worse the far left pushes the defeatist attitude that nothing was going to ever make it any better regardless so lets just switch to affirming and positive language and imagery to make the abusers feel more comforted and in the norm.

You can mark these words down now, as we WILL see some imagery come out a far left advocacy group, showing some homeless looking person drugged up to a euphoric like state, lying around looking content and happy, on a billboard or magazine, as an attempt for them to say 'we should not all view that person negatively', 'that we cannot be blind to them amongst us' and 'we should accept that is a life situation or choice they have made and we are not to judge or turn away'.

I would bet on that one coming out in the years to come. No way it does not.

Fyp. The left is dead. Don't you have another thread decrying the demise of the Democratic party?

But there basically is no left. Just a few Marxists teaching sociology classes with zero reach... Everyone you think is the left is actually on the right

As for this actual thread.... There is a lot I could say now that I've become decently close with an individual who is transitioning.... But I can't say it for that exact same reason. Sad.

Yes Luckbox, yessssssssss.




Cuepee Uke is gaslighting you, I cant find the post now, but when he says he has no reach and the left has no reach thats a terrible example of gaslighting.

He is litterally going into the basement and dimming the light for you, and then says he didnt do it and that you are crazy.

It is fact that the left dominates the media and the social channels.

Biden made that law that incriminated millions of kids for taking drugs. That didnt help them but brought them into trouble with the law and in an endless


sprial of getting incarcerated and punished. That crimilazed them even more and inflamed the war on drugs to the next level.


Who is increasing the gap though? Who is allowing amazon , apple and facebook to not pay taxes in the united states?

I.E. who is responsible for 8.50 dollar gas prices in california right now?

Why are chinese workers working around the clock (and dropping dead) for some idiot americans who just want the latest iphones?

Why cant they fix this problem in california where they rule? Skid row and homelessness is increasing not decreasing.

Thats leftist agenda isnt it? globalisation, haha.

Who is shutting up all other voices? Why does elon get to call mandates fashist and I cant?


The left preaches water and drinks wine and drives everyone insane. Look what clinton did, first he gets blown by a temp and then he goes onto flying with epstein to lolita island.

But you're simply regurgitating part of their "counter web of lies". The bolded is just a straight up fictional retelling of the history of American academia. Universities were NEVER the vanguard of free speech. People I know, who were among the first generation of serious mathematicians on Wall St had to leave academia because it was clear that their involvement in the anti-Vietnam War movement would prevent them from getting academic jobs. Here is a more famous example from the social sciences

Before that, someone as credentialed and respected as Robert Oppenheimer was marginalized and almost fired from the IAS for very tenuous links to communism. Imagine how bad it must have been for newly mintd Phds or Post Docs just starting their careers without Oppenheimer's undeniable accomplishments.

It's no coincidence that these are left wing views canceled by academia that have been completely whitewashed and erased from history by people trying to present what they call cancel culture as some new modern aberration.

Perhaps the reason you can't find the post now is that it is.....dare I say it......gaslighting? I have obviously never said that the left has no reach ffs.

I am guessing you are referring to a post where I said I had more reach and a larger platform than 99% of academics which is probably true as I have hundreds of thousands of subscribers on YouTube, and noted that despite this that makes me at best a pretty small scale "influencer". But this obviously is not the same thing as saying the left collectively has no reach.

The point is why did you even say that.

The intention was to discredit cuepee when he says the left is abusing it's power on social media or whatever he said there. We know the left controls twitter Facebook and about every other major player.

The only purpose of your post was to gaslight cuepee, I stand by it. What else would have been the purpose of saying what you said? You said every 14 year old toktoker has more reach than the left in other words! WTF are you trying to say there?? That's gas lighting at its best.

There is no comeback from that uke.

It's all documented. Just accept it. You punted.

No we dont know that.

The centre right controls mass media, with some controlled by far right e.g. Fox news.

Then why is everyone complaining about cancel culture and social media?? Are twitter and Facebook not left? Wtf? Fox news?? Are u kidding me? Nobody around the world is watching fox news. Check the numbers! Facebook and twitter have far bigger reach. They are social media monopols. Nobody comes close to their numbers. Fox, lol, ED wtf??

Because people tell lies to gain power. Painting yourself as a fake victim is a very old tactic and simply believing politicians when they use divisive rhetoric like cancel culture is a pretty easy way to be misled.

Not if you are actually a victim. Is Elon musk gaslighting you when he says mandates are fascist?

People getting banned when talking about a lab leak or questioning certain policies? That was bad! And it all came from the left.

We got literally terrorized by the left for the last 2.5 years. Do you want to deny this?

Say something about that we bomb children in Yemen you're an anti semite! WTF are we doing here?

Its amazing to have someone who has had every thought and his entire world point of view literally taken straight off the shelf of opinion forming apparatus and put straight into his head lecture everyone else about the nature of said apparatus.

Washoe is just a complete middle man, a medium through which propaganda flows unchanged and unchallenged.

The average Joe suffering now is fact, look around you.

Small businesses suffering is also fact.

Imagine living in California and having to pay 8.50 for gas. It's ****ing everyone except the rich ok? So you are basically ****ing 90% or more of the whole country you live in.

That's bad. And who controls it? Corporations who seem to be left leaning.

We did this all before.

Corporations are never going to be left in any serious way, as left means re-distribution of wealth, that is core fundamental tenant of left.

Corporations are centre right if not just straight up right.

Yet here you are doing a complete verbatim repeat of their editorial stance.

Funny that.

Right. Elon Musk: Richest man in the world/victim.

That doesn't seem to make so much sense when you put it like that. It's out of context.

I think elon understands the situation and people involved in it, when he says it. And he hits the bulls eye as you can tell by the resonance.