Well I just gave you an explanation as to why one of your reasons for thinking he's innocent is a terrible one, so I brought that much to the table.

Otherwise I can't make your argument for you. I don't know if that youtube video was used in trial or what arguments were made about it by the defence/prosecution. That's something you should know and give us some context for in order to make your case. So why not start there?

Alright , sounds fair. And I aplologize then I said you bring nothing to the table. You could read the court documents, he received 62 years for this crime against this woman, the one from

the 1 min video. Its all documented. I wasnt able to to perfectly structure and explain stuff, so I give you credit for noticing this.

Honestly this is the first time I had to cover a court case, so maybe you can cut me some slack. I dont know how to go about it.

But ill do some thinking how to make it better.

All the best

You're doing it again. You're not giving me context of how that video played out in court, or whether it was even mentioned, you're just telling me to do a whole lot of reading. If you have read all that stuff, why not pick out some of the relevant or compelling parts?

You too! alright spoon coming in!

I have to investigate who this woman is and will report back .

these are the comments on the vid.


Livin Country
I think they sentenced him because they knew there would be a riot from hell if they didn’t.

J Z
Yeah, that’s really sad, but I agree 100%.

Edward Lowery
Thing detective davis wanted a piece of the claw

Joann Betancourt
Why did he get Framed ?

James O'Brien
Framed

Edward Lowery
Framed

Matthew Condie
he did it. justice served.

HeyThereVader
Just another moron that believes in hearsay over evidence.

JZ
Incorrect

holden cawffle
vader....youre a ding a ling

cmon wash, comments from internet (trolls) is your argument?

Jesus wept.

Yeah, probably not the most convincing material.

But I found this one comment in particular very interesting:

"I think they sentenced him because they knew there would be a riot from hell if they didn’t."

This is exactly my thoughts on this.

Its also noteworthy, that there are exactly 6 comments on this YT video. Anybody can comment on this, yet 5 out of 6 comments say he was framed. Which is absolutely true. Its just pieces to the puzzle, but I keep digging.

This is an article written by Mulkin, as you can see this case was a political nightmare:

"Exclusive: What If the Convicted "Serial Rapist Cop" Is Innocent?
By Michelle Malkin
December 01, 2016

"To hell with Daniel Holtzclaw, and his tears." -- MTV News correspondent Jamil Smith

"Drown in your tears, *******." -- NYC playwright/actress Mara Wilson

"Where is the widespread outrage? Where is the media coverage? Why don't we matter???!!?" -- actress Gabrielle Union

Former Oklahoma City police officer Daniel Holtzclaw's emotional breakdown went viral one year ago this week in the worst way possible. He became a national punching bag when a jury convicted him on 18 of 36 counts of sexual assault-related crimes against eight black women. His sentence: 263 years.

But what if he didn't do it -- any of it?

To the casual observer, Holtzclaw's tears looked like the tears of a man sorry he got caught.

But I am no longer a casual observer. For the past several months, I've reviewed extensive court records, accuser testimony, and discovery documents, video and audio. I visited the alleged crime scenes. I interviewed the two lead detectives who constructed the case against him, along with local community activists, a top DNA expert, Holtzclaw's family and friends, and Holtzclaw himself."

(Ligons, the first victim) "She claimed Holtzclaw forced her to put her hands on the hood of his car during the stop. She also alleged that he put his hands on the roof while purportedly assaulting her as she sat in the backseat as he stood on the rear passenger side with the door open. Extensive fingerprint and DNA tests all over Holtzclaw's vehicle -- again, just hours after the alleged assault -- also came up empty."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...nt_132483.html


"What if a man was convicted of crimes he didn’t commit … just to appease the Black Lives Matter mob?

https://web.archive.org/web/20161220...niel-holtzclaw


These are useful links from wikipedia:

https://www.conservativereview.com/c....IkupVU58.dpuf

https://kfor.com/news/exclusive-holt...-one-year-ago/

https://www.enidnews.com/news/local_...106cdc7f7.html

Cass Rains (May 7, 2018). "Documentary about Daniel Holtzclaw wins honors". Enid News&eagle.
https://www.enidnews.com/news/local_...c988ca5d5.html

https://www.enidnews.com/oklahoma/ne...4c04a2446.html



As cuepee and others know, I am all for BLM and equality. But in this case, Im afraid BLM might have caused harm.

It should go without saying that Youtube comments are worthless as evidence. Sure, since hundreds of millions of people post comments on Youtube, there are bound to be a few smart ones. But it's equally true in my view that the Youtube comment section is often complete intellectual sludge. That a Youtube comment section (especially a small one) can seem to be in agreement is not strange, but a result of the algorithm recommending the video to the feed of people with similar interests and views.

The video format is also not the best suited for dissecting trials. It is incredibly easy to use editing techniques to sow doubts about trials. A trial can be messy, evidence is not always straightforward and especially things like DNA evidence is subject to a ton of myths perpetuated by movies, television and fiction in general. That in conjunction with editing tricks makes it very easy to dramatize trials in a speculative manner.

I researched case (albeit fairly briefly). There seems to be a small core of people, some with a longer reach, that claims this man is innocent.

Still, when you have 13 accusers and a guilty verdict in the justice system, I'd demand a helluva lot more than Youtube videos and Youtube comments to make up my mind about the facts. I'd also be very wary of speaking about the case as if it is somehow a given that he is innocent.

From what I read of the case he seems guilty. He has forensic dna evidence against him. Nearly all his victims had criminal records and drug problems, and he seems to have specifically targeted them due to their vulnerability in this regard. He also drove a black police cruiser. These were new editions to the force and only a handful of officers drove them. A victim identified his black cruiser.

Another victim showed the cops the route and location she was taken to. It matched Holtzclaw's GPS location at the time. Six other women came forward and Holtzclaw's GPS location matched all of their accounts also, which is some coincidence. As was the fact that he called for a warrant check on all of them.

He strikes me as a calculating predator who specifically targeted vulnerable women who he felt would be disbelieved due to their drug habits and previous criminal records.He screwed up by targeting a woman who had no prior record and was a respected member of the community.

From the wiki:
All of his victims were black females, so maybe he was racially profiling as well as checking them out on databases. As I said he strikes me as a calculating predator. I'd probably have to look into the case more but so far, again from what I read he seems pretty guilty to me.

Ferguson's possibly guilty too, his lawyer is a sleazebag charlatan.

You are right. I should not say anything is a given. Although I truely believe he is innocent, and know this was not a fair trial. I do welcome criticism or an oppsite view on this from anyone. I know the majority might think he is a terrible person and that he did it. Thats how it was mainly portrayed.


At the bottom of this page are the all accusers in a graphic which should be posted here. It is really insightful.

http://freedanielholtzclaw.com/proof-of-innocence



Graphic lists all accusers and details.
No witnesses where ever present, no evidence, at all 13 cases.

"Daniel received the most # of charges and years (62 years) for the accuser that said the officer that raped her was a short black male"

I still wasnt able to find out her name.






Brian Bates might be one of the people you mentioned:

https://www.holtzclawtrial.com/aboutcontact

"This website was originally created on Feb. 6, 2016 by Brian Bates – Oklahoma City regional EMMY award winning anti-prostitution/human trafficking activist for 23-years, creator of JohnTV.com, the ‘original Video Vigilante’ and investigator for Daniel Holtzclaw’s original defense team. The purpose of this website was originally to simply give me a space to post some articles and insights to the Daniel Holtzclaw case.

The website was revamped on June 18, 2019 (five years to the day from the Jannie Ligons traffic stop that started it all) to mark the launch of my new serialized podcast Bates Investigates: The Daniel Holtzclaw Case.

The website will serve as support to the podcast and as a conduit for the release of discovery evidence.

This website is solely maintained by me and individuals who wish to support my efforts.

You can send comments, questions and inquiries about this website to:
holtzclawtrial@gmail.com



Want to send a letter or card to Daniel Holtzclaw? Please send your well wishes and words of encouragement to:

Justice for D.H.
PO BOX 1193
Poway, CA 92074 "

Holtzclaw isn't white he's bi racial, I think he might be half Japanese but am not certain, but he's definitely biracial, not that it matters anyway.

Bingo. As I said he strikes me as quite calculated. He's where he belongs.

I watched his interrogation ages ago and he comes across as quite emotionless, almost robotic. Was kinda creepy.

Please look at the graphic I just mentioned at the bottom of this page. You will see all accusers at one sight.

You know I respect your opinion on this a lot. The information in the files is planted. You really have to look at all the details. I would advice to look at this website, imo thats the fastes way to cover the main points of this.


http://freedanielholtzclaw.com/proof-of-innocence

I might have thougt so too at first. He just got off his shift. He doesnt give a f bc he didnt do anything imo.

There is no DNA evidence really. The ones that exist is highly contestable.

It's by no means exclusive to this case. Innocence Fraud is a cottage industry. Amanda Knox Steven Avery WM3 Adnan Syed, that case we discussed a while back where I was warned not to mention because reasons- lots of high profile former defendants have their fan clubs. There's even a grass roots movement proclaiming Scott Peterson as innocent.
So it's nothing new. I reckon Holtzclaw is guilty, personally.

Father is ex cop, white, mother ex cop, japanese.

Malkin is a Holtzclaw mouthpiece, she's hardly a reliable source on the case, her perspective is completely based. This case including the conviction happened before BLM, I think.

Check out the notes in the right column. And you gotta watch the tapes! The interviews are hillarious. Its all lies and more lies and at the end they created a monster because of pressure from outside. This case was insane.

You might think it happened before BLM, just look above what I posted about BLM and this case. Youll be amazed.

Why would Malkin be a Holzclaw mouthpiece though? She needs some money? She is a multi-millionaire mate. She couldnt care less for 50k from the holzclaws. She is doing it because she sees the inconsistencies. Im waiting until you see them too.

No it isn't, it's only highly contestable to his supporters and for supporters of convicted defendants, all evidence is highly contestable, Amanda Knox's groupies contested each and every single piece of evidence against her, as did Steve Avery's groupies as did Adnan Syed's. The DNA evidence was accepted by the court and jury though, after Holtzclaw's defence argued and contested the issue to its heart's content. It didn't cut it.

Groupies have their tactics down to an art form.

1 The evidence is all wrong all of it. DNA is always contaminated, confessions are always coerced cops and prosecution are always corrupt eyewitnesses are always mistaken.

2 Burden of proof must be raised to insurmountable standards for the defendant. Proof of motive is a must despite it not being required by a court for a conviction. If there's no physical evidence then that's not good enough even though physical evidence isn't required for a conviction either- it should be required just for whatever special snowflake I'm shilling for.

3 Burden of proof must be lowered significantly for any "alternate suspects, innuendo and speculation is a-okay for them.

4 Malign the prosecutor

5 Attack or belittle the victims their families and their credibility

^^ That's a standard pattern in several high profile cases. It's why it's becoming a cottage industry.

I know about all the above. The DNA is faulty. In fact almost everything in this case is a joke. Have you really screened any accuser thoroughly?

washoe or anyone

which documentary is the best one on your opinion? which one tried to look at it objectively. I dont want to see 3 or 4 so if I had to choose one which one should it be?