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03-11-2023 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I dunno if you want to compare body counts
Do it

Communism has killed more than anything
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03-11-2023 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCobb
Do it

Communism has killed more than anything
an absurd thing to say. something that any sort of scrutiny would show rediculous.

but that wasnt really the discussion. its more modern USA vs modern China and well, USA wins by a landslide.
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03-12-2023 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
an absurd thing to say. something that any sort of scrutiny would show rediculous.

but that wasnt really the discussion. its more modern USA vs modern China and well, USA wins by a landslide.
Communists haven’t? Show your math!
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03-12-2023 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Those are legal and your first sip or puff isn't going to kill you

As for your neighbors son he may have bought pills laced with fentanyl and never known. It's not just opioid addicts
You are comparing lethal doses of opioids to non lethal doses of alcohol and nicotine. You can quite easily kill yourself with with alcohol and nicotine with the right dose.

Besides that, imagine how many more people would be harmed by alcohol and tobacco if it were illegal and unregulated.
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03-12-2023 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
You are comparing lethal doses of opioids to non lethal doses of alcohol and nicotine. You can quite easily kill yourself with with alcohol and nicotine with the right dose.

Besides that, imagine how many more people would be harmed by alcohol and tobacco if it were illegal and unregulated.
Easily? lol you’re so full of it
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03-12-2023 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I just think China is on its way to being the global hegemon despite whatever setbacks or problems they have. The USA is clearly an empire in decline.
Recent war games suggest China would not succeed in invading Taiwan right now though the US would pay a high cost for stopping them. They've also got no real battle experience for decades while the US has plenty. The chip embargo is also going to cripple China's military advancement, at least until they can build their own fabrication plant, if they even can. Regardless, they may be a decade behind when they do. I do otherwise agree that the US is an empire in decline but China would fare worse in a military conflict at the moment.

Last edited by Bubble_Balls; 03-12-2023 at 09:33 AM.
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03-12-2023 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCobb
Easily? lol you’re so full of it
Yeah, easily. What do you think will happen to someone if they drink a sufficient amount of hard liquor in a short amount of time, especially if they are smaller and have no tolerance? You think people don't OD from alcohol?

The CDC says it takes about 60mg of nicotine to kill. If you take enough nicotine pills or possibly some black market or home brewed e-juice you could do it.
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03-12-2023 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Yeah, easily. What do you think will happen to someone if they drink a sufficient amount of hard liquor in a short amount of time, especially if they are smaller and have no tolerance? You think people don't OD from alcohol?

The CDC says it takes about 60mg of nicotine to kill. If you take enough nicotine pills or possibly some black market or home brewed e-juice you could do it.
lol try harder to make an idiotic point bro
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03-12-2023 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCobb
lol try harder to make an idiotic point bro
Try being less of an ******* bro.
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03-12-2023 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Recent war games suggest China would not succeed in invading Taiwan right now though the US would pay a high cost for stopping them. They've also got no real battle experience for decades while the US has plenty. The chip embargo is also going to cripple China's military advancement, at least until they can build their own fabrication plant, if they even can. Regardless, they may be a decade behind when they do. I do otherwise agree that the US is an empire in decline but China would fare worse in a military conflict at the moment.
I wasn't talking about militarily. Nor about a Taiwan invasion, which I highly doubt China is seriously considering.
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03-12-2023 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I wasn't talking about militarily. Nor about a Taiwan invasion, which I highly doubt China is seriously considering.
Alright, I assumed your hegemony talk was comprehensive since you alluded to the might of the Chinese military in a previous reply about the US not wanting that smoke. Taiwan is just a useful example since it's the most likely scenario where those powers clash.
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03-12-2023 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCobb
lol try harder to make an idiotic point bro
What's your point? I'm not familiar with nicotine but people die from alcohol poisoning all the time.
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03-12-2023 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
What's your point? I'm not familiar with nicotine but people die from alcohol poisoning all the time.
Tons of things can kill you. But comparing them to fentanyl is ******ed
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04-03-2023 , 05:25 AM
Layne Flack, one of my heroes from back in the days died from Fentanyl. You guys read this cause of death, right? Fentanyl.

who else? it's many people let me tell you.


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It was announced on July 19, 2021, that Flack was found dead. According to Clark County coroner Melanie Rouse, the cause of death was listed as fentanyl, cocaine and methamphetamine intoxication. He was 52

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layne_Flack
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04-03-2023 , 05:32 AM
And then

Singer Prince died from Fent in 2016!

and then musician Mac Miller in 2018!

and then musician Tom Petty.

and and and all Fentanyl.

https://www.wonderwall.com/celebrity...photoId=523088
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04-03-2023 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Begas
How is Fent affecting Begas?
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04-04-2023 , 03:15 PM
Does fentanyl give a more desirable high than heroin or is it just that it's cheap and needed in such small quantities that it's more profitable?
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04-04-2023 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Does fentanyl give a more desirable high than heroin or is it just that it's cheap and needed in such small quantities that it's more profitable?
ofc its gonna depend on personal preference. but no, not at all. you go from sick to knocked out to sick again. with H, you only need to redose a few times a day and still function. Fent makes it really hard to function bc it just knocks you out and then after you wake up you are sick quickly. H fiends can stay stable if done proper

and ofc its not just Fent that you get nowadays. its the **** that its cut with. the xylazine and rizzy and all that flesh eating crap. in 2015 or 2005, it was much less prevalent in the H cuts.

Fent is much cheaper tho. proly twice as cheap on average than 2010s dope. maybe Joe Brandon should include that in the inflation reports. I mean eggs cost twice as much but you can get a gram of Fent for 80 whereas H cost 160 back in the day.

but to go even deeper, there is no greater rebuttal of the whole econ101, suppl/demand, and capitalist market invisible hand than the opiate/opioid trade. and this goes back to ****in China in the 1800s. its all market manipulation.
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04-05-2023 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor

but to go even deeper, there is no greater rebuttal of the whole econ101, suppl/demand, and capitalist market invisible hand than the opiate/opioid trade. and this goes back to ****in China in the 1800s. its all market manipulation.
I don't understand this part. Can you unpack it for me? Not trolling, I genuinely don't understand and am curious.
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04-05-2023 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
ofc its gonna depend on personal preference. but no, not at all. you go from sick to knocked out to sick again. with H, you only need to redose a few times a day and still function. Fent makes it really hard to function bc it just knocks you out and then after you wake up you are sick quickly. H fiends can stay stable if done proper

and ofc its not just Fent that you get nowadays. its the **** that its cut with. the xylazine and rizzy and all that flesh eating crap. in 2015 or 2005, it was much less prevalent in the H cuts.

Fent is much cheaper tho. proly twice as cheap on average than 2010s dope. maybe Joe Brandon should include that in the inflation reports. I mean eggs cost twice as much but you can get a gram of Fent for 80 whereas H cost 160 back in the day.

but to go even deeper, there is no greater rebuttal of the whole econ101, suppl/demand, and capitalist market invisible hand than the opiate/opioid trade. and this goes back to ****in China in the 1800s. its all market manipulation.
So maybe people prefer fent. Seems like legal heroin with a consistent purity would reduce OD's massively if it's price competitive with the fent product.
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04-05-2023 , 01:46 AM
At least some users are specifically looking for fentanyl.
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04-05-2023 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I don't understand this part. Can you unpack it for me? Not trolling, I genuinely don't understand and am curious.
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
At least some users are specifically looking for fentanyl.
and some people prefer H but its not available. there was no demand for Fent and then it was created and used to flood the streets.

demand doesnt always drive supply. its the other way around.
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04-05-2023 , 05:42 AM
For sure, I was only adding that now that it's out there, there are people who would choose it over heroin. That may be because heroin is less effective for them now than actually preferring the effects of course.
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04-05-2023 , 08:39 AM
I'm a bit out of it on this subject but maybe also the attraction of fent is you can lace pills with it. So people like me who can't get over the needle hurdle but still want to get high af will take their chances with fent laced stuff.
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04-05-2023 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
For sure, I was only adding that now that it's out there, there are people who would choose it over heroin. That may be because heroin is less effective for them now than actually preferring the effects of course.
ya some people need it bc their tolerance is so high. some people have only ever had Fent. some people prefer it bc they just want to get ****ed up.

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Originally Posted by 5 south
I'm a bit out of it on this subject but maybe also the attraction of fent is you can lace pills with it. So people like me who can't get over the needle hurdle but still want to get high af will take their chances with fent laced stuff.
the attraction to Fent is that its much much easier for the CIA and Deep state to transport it bc its like 20 times as as strong as H so it takes up a lot less space and gets a lot more people a lot more ****ed up.

its also a lot easier to produce since you just need a lab and some chemicals rather than hundreds of miles of poppy fields and tons of Afghan labor.

so now the Deep State can large populations of disaffected people with no hope of a job or future hooked and turn them into money making machines. bc you need some money to get high. and when they get caught then the still make money being in the jail system. and when they die well its cheaper than health care.
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