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In fairness to lozen, he isn't actually advocating for bombing China. He only wants to bomb the homes of cartel bosses in Mexico.

Also, I don't think you want to push this formulation all the way. If criminals in Japan were selling massive quantities of sarin gas to right wing nutjobs in the American Northwest, I'm pretty sure that we would want the government to do something to stop that from happening, regardless of whether it was possible to argue as a technical matter than Japanese interests were simply meeting consumer demand in the United States.

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03-06-2023 , 02:01 PM

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In fairness to lozen, he isn't actually advocating for bombing China. He only wants to bomb the homes of cartel bosses in Mexico.

I mean, yes but only for logistical reasons.

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03-06-2023 , 02:27 PM

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I mean, yes but only for logistical reasons.

If Mexican cartels are not buying the supplies China is not selling them just as if Americans were not buying the drugs there would be no market

Reality is Mexico is never going to do much to stop the cartels. Though the reality of the cartels moving more into the USA is a serious threat.

You need to deal with Mexico not China as well when you declare them as terrorists you let the gun manufacturers and banks ask themselves do they want to deal with the cartel which they both do now.

Plus if you bomb China your in World war

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You guys really think the cartels are selling without deep state involvement?

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You guys really think the cartels are selling without deep state involvement?

Bolded can mean anything. What exactly are you suggesting?

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Does the rest of the world get to bomb the US for exporting tobacco?

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Well we know the CIA and probably FBI were involved in dealing crack so why wouldn't they be making money off Fent?

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Does the rest of the world get to bomb the US for exporting tobacco?

Inshallah?

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03-06-2023 , 05:19 PM

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if lozen wants to bomb mexico he should saddle up and tell his own government to do it. im here for the canadian invasion of mexico.

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if lozen wants to bomb mexico he should saddle up and tell his own government to do it. im here for the canadian invasion of mexico.

Hey the fentanyl crisis effects Canada just as bad. The crisis is partially responsible for the collapse of our health care system

Currently you get an overdose an ambulance is called and they take the victim to the hospital and they must wait there till they are admitted sometimes 6-8 hours and the next day they are picking up the same person of the street again for an overdose

Its an extreme take but 100,000 people died last year in the USA. In Canada we had 3556 in the first 6 months of 2022 so 7100 is a good guess for the year so were not far off from the USA #

Like I said you attacked two countries over 3500 people killed on 9/11

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Its an extreme take but 100,000 people died last year in the USA. In Canada we had 3556 in the first 6 months of 2022 so 7100 is a good guess for the year so were not far off from the USA #

Like I said you attacked two countries over 3500 people killed on 9/11

that was pre covid.. probably around 1.5 million died from covid and the republicans staged a coup because someone said wear masks.. and covid didnt have a MASSIVE lobbying industry behind it like big pharma does for fent.

we do not give a **** about human life anymore as a country. although attacking brown people is still an enticing part of that idea, we do still enjoy that as a country.

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if lozen wants to bomb mexico he should saddle up and tell his own government to do it. im here for the canadian invasion of mexico.

The funny thing is, a shitload of illicit drugs come across the Canadian border.

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The funny thing is, a shitload of illicit drugs come across the Canadian border.

Really and you have any proof of that ?

Will see if these 4 americans are still alive tragic .

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/07/ameri...day/index.html

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03-07-2023 , 11:28 AM

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Really and you have any proof of that ?

Will see if these 4 americans are still alive tragic .

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/07/ameri...day/index.html

can you be more naive

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-b471918.html

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can you be more naive

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-b471918.html

There talking about marijuana not fentanyl . A drug that is legal in Canada and many parts of the USA

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There talking about marijuana not fentanyl . A drug that is legal in Canada and many parts of the USA

It’s technically illegal everywhere in the US under federal law.

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03-07-2023 , 12:25 PM

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Really and you have any proof of that ?

I honestly don’t know how to respond to questions like this without being condescending. You have access to google, yes? You can type “fentanyl trafficking Canadian border” and do a search for this, right?

Like, here’s a link I found within ten seconds of searching.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/...le-ontario-us/

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in the US the places with the worse opiod epidemics (and all the downstream problems such as homelessness, vagrancy and crime) are the ones where they are already essentially decriminalized for personal use. So step 1 seems to be making the problem exponentially worse.

I know the narrative is that legalizing hard drugs has worked in some places in Europe. I don't actually know if it is true or not. But even if it was true in Europe, I dont think you can just export these policies to the US and get similar results. And empirical results so far strongly support this hypothesis.

The underlying social dynamics in the US (hopelessness, income inequality, inadequate social safety net, general criminality) would just make decriminalizing opioids as step 1 a non starter.

IMO any short term solution would have to address cutting off the supply. And long term solution would be dealing with all the societal issues creating the demand.

But any potential effort towards decriminalizing would have to be way down the road when these other conditions were met first.

This is because it's only sporadically applied now. If it were at the federal level you wouldn't have people migrating and stressing resources of only a couple places.

Cutting off supply is what's been tried for decades and will never work. The only way to reduce the illicit supply is create a legal market that people will choose instead.

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Correct me if I am wrong were in that story does it say they were exporting drugs to the USA . It talks about firearms coming the other way

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Bombing China for selling American consumers products they want to buy is the rowdiest take I've seen in quite a while.

we didn't want Covid and China gave us that too

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Correct me if I am wrong were in that story does it say they were exporting drugs to the USA . It talks about firearms coming the other way

OK man, here's another one. Again, it would really help things if you googled them yourself. I have absolute confidence that you can do it if you try.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...ng-from-canada

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I can only imagine if I posted as evidence a link from the Daily Beast So what your saying its ok to use right wing sites when it serves your agenda but when someone else does it the video is edited or the facts are not true

Shouldnt you strive to live to your own standards?

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Is this your way of conceding that I am correct? It would be nice if the convo could move forward.

Is the Detroit Free Press a news source you're prepared to believe or do I have to continue googling things?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...19/4590520002/

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