KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.

If you still think that AQ did 9/11 you should be in adult day care.

Is he serving lwop? Not familiar with what's going on but i'd much rather die that serve life and death penalties aren't really the thing anymore. Looks like a pleading to 2900 murders, what am I missing?

What would need to be true for someone who pleas guilty to 2900 murders to not get the death penalty where the death penalty is an option? This is the guy they say planned the event that killed rich white people and reorganized our entire society in response. And he's getting a deal.

The government has no case. Whether we are looking at Russiagate or whatever big lie going, they all fall apart when it gets into court. For whatever reason, our courts appear to be the one institution where truth still has any currency.

We didn't need to see this in order to know that there is no case against AQ. Everything up until now indicates it, but this is still significant in a long line of exculpatory discoveries. It's like getting enough information to get a case overturned and then discovering oh, btw, the DNA evidence also clears the convicted.

Unfortunately adult day care is where we are

ha very good

Plea deal REVOKED for alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

A plea deal for alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has been revoked.

The move places the death penalty on the table for three of the five 9/11 defendants who would have received life in prison at the U.S. base in Guantanamo in return for pleading guilty to the murder of 2,997 people in the 9/11 attacks.
It comes two days after the military commission at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, announced that the official appointed to oversee the war court, retired Brig. Gen. Susan Escallier, had approved plea deals with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and two accused accomplices, Walid bin Attash and Mustafa al-Hawsawi, in the attacks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pl...f494b358&ei=13

I guess the political is at odds with the judicial. We've seen that a lot recently. That's not surprising. I don't think it changes the fundamental realities of the case, realities which have been hashed out for more than 20 years now. How far are we from KSM outliving the life expectancy of wherever he is from? If successful and valid prosecution was possible it would have happened by now. The mere length of time drawn out by this case is exculpatory.

They should have convicted him for something else. I mean, he is a terrorist. Then again, that would showcase an unwanted contrast between evidence based conviction and mere assertion.

There is a really interesting article that I read quite some about called 'There's Something about Omar'-- dealing with a guy named Omar Sayeed who was recently released for the murder of Daniel Pearl.

Omar Sayeed was originally intended to be the 9/11 mastermind and play the role that KSM played, but the Times of India wrote an article saying how he was connected to Pakistani intelligence and the narrative intended up changing as a result of that and KSM was brought in.. I'll try to find it.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/KUP310A.html

Most likely when they were auditioning for the 9/11 mastermind role Omar left a shred of evidence while KSM left not a shred, so it was a no brainer at that point. If you can't plan a multi year infiltration campaign, including on site remote terrorist training, avoiding all CIA, FBI, and U.S. Customs and Border protection counter measures, as well as recruit the engineers and technical specialists to find a way to knock down 3 massive skyscrapers with two planes, while making sure morale is high enough to inspire martyrdom...if you can't do all that and more without using a single scrap of paper then you don't deserve the corner spot in the cave with the cool draft blowing through.

It's very funny that Deuces thinks you need a team of engineers to figure out how to bring down a building via flying a 747 into it.

I mean, I think you pretty much laid out the master plan right there.

last I checked the scientific process was bollocks.

The buildings were engineered to prevent exactly that.

They were engineered to withstand full speed impact from a commercial airliner? Source?

Might want to check again then, chief. Things have moved on since 1700. Although, I guess from your point of view, the Enlightenment was just something that happened to other people.

Yes. I'm sure you can find it if you look.

I mean the official theory is that fires brought the buildings down not the airplanes

That's not how making claims on online forums works. I don't believe you.

Exactly. You don't need a team of engineers with their dubious "science," just hurl heavy objects at a building and you can knock it down. Medieval guys figured that **** out centuries ago and they didn't even have protractors or logarithms.

Ok great. Well I have stuff I have to do right now that doesn't involve indulging you.

Take your time, I am aware that those tin foil hats aren't going to catalogue themselves.

I don't believe that either, FWIW.

I'm open for wagers from non-believers

Trolly you've lost a step. Even the official story, the story meant for people such as yourself to believe, concedes that the impact from the planes is not nearly sufficient to bring down the buildings. If you want to be sure to say what the authorities say it was the fire that did in the buildings. But the impact did, supposedly, in the official story models, knock all the fireproofing off all beams in the impact zone.

Also, I didn't set the challenge as bringing down a building. Three massive skyscrapers came totally down, one not hit by any plane. Three skyscrapers, two commercial planes. I mean, come on, we can at least say that the terrorists, whoever they are, are extremely lucky in the amount of spectacular damage they caused. Like if you set those buildings up again, gave some amateur pilots a couple of planes and told them to knock down 3 massive skyscrapers, how often are they going to achieve their goal? This is a gambling forum. Let's use our skills in probability and figure out just how lucky these terrorists were.

I don't believe this either.