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10-31-2020 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nohands
Given the virus spreads by being close to people we should factor in how populated those areas are, right? physical distance matters

Population Density per Square Mile: https://www.infoplease.com/world/pop...mile-countries

Canada - 3 people per square mile
U.S. - 84 people per square mile

84/3 = 28

U.S. has a population density of 28x more than Canada.
Most of Canada is uninhabitable. Take a look at a map and you will see that 80-90% of the area of some provinces have basically no humans living there.

Of you really want we can do some basic comparisons of similar cities between the countries and you will see the same difference in results or worse for the USA#1.

Feel free to adjust for that then come back to me with your thoughts. Thanks!

All the best.
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10-31-2020 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bored5000
That is because there is a significant number of Americans that view the increased social safety net of Europe as benefiting the lazy or those with a poor work ethic. Anything that is not hard right gets branded as socialism by conservatives in the U.S. because it is an easy sell.

The entire stance of Republicans toward government safety net programs is that people in USA#1 who work hard don't need to mooch off the government.
explain probably why the 15 poorest states, 13 are republicans...
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10-31-2020 , 05:50 PM
Nohands. Your king is still downplaying COVID, saying it’s over and has the audacity to blame the doctors. Obviously it’s all fake news, but he’s sharing this bs at all his rallies which ends up to more people with COVID and more dead of his own. You figured he would have learned something, but he’s gone further all in, on being absolutely ****ing wrong about this disease.
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10-31-2020 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
explain probably why the 15 poorest states, 13 are republicans...
People are dumb and love helping those, that help them the least normally for the fact that they don’t want to be taxed so much if they were rich, which they will likely never be. Remember after last election, a ton of people didn’t realize they had been helped by Obamacare but voted against it essentially.
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10-31-2020 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Do you think the fact Trump maintained for weeks that the whole thing was a hoax and his dumbass followers believed him and therefore didn't take any precautions may have had anything to do with it?
And you still see people online daily claiming it's no big deal--we've way over-reacted/it's all a scam etc. Then they say stuff like whatever it's just the olds dying--when they're not screeching ageism about other stuff that isn't even ageism
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10-31-2020 , 05:56 PM


I don't understand the level of purposeful ignorance it takes to say you care about honesty and still be a Trump supporter.
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10-31-2020 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
And you still see people online daily claiming it's no big deal--we've way over-reacted/it's all a scam etc. Then they say stuff like whatever it's just the olds dying--when they're not screeching ageism about other stuff that isn't even ageism
Since becoming active in politics online in 2016, I have learnt that there many, many more unfathomably stupid people in the world than I had ever imagined. Probably because of where I live & work, I don't really meet many of them in my day-to-day life, so my intuition about how abundant they are was a gross under-estimate.
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10-31-2020 , 06:01 PM
Can someone present any trump plan for anything the next 4 years other than owning libs.
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10-31-2020 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Can someone present any trump plan for anything the next 4 years other than owning libs.
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10-31-2020 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Id also give Cuomo 10,000 -20,000 deaths with him shipping infected seniors back to their complexes
This is likely not accurate. The positive rate was so high in NYC, and testing so limited that staff to patient was likely by far the biggest spreader. Many smaller complexes that took in no infected patients from hospitals still got decimated. Not that I think Cuomo did all that great, but that particular decision has been vastly overstated as a driver of deaths.
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10-31-2020 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nohands
cool, good job Trump in San Fran
If you give him credit for San Francisco then you need to give him credit for everywhere in the USA#1. Oopsie!

By the way, what are your thoughts about Hunter? Pretty important issue to your kind, so feel free to elaborate. Tick Tock!!!

Last edited by King Spew; 10-31-2020 at 06:17 PM.
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10-31-2020 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
People are dumb and love helping those, that help them the least normally for the fact that they don’t want to be taxed so much if they were rich, which they will likely never be. Remember after last election, a ton of people didn’t realize they had been helped by Obamacare but voted against it essentially.

That's only 6 people where I live - hardly enough to matter...
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10-31-2020 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Can someone present any trump plan for anything the next 4 years other than owning libs.
Make America Great again ?

They literally have no 4 year plan


I magine if he showed compassion took Covid serious and said " I built this false economy once ill do it again "

Last edited by lozen; 10-31-2020 at 06:24 PM.
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10-31-2020 , 06:18 PM
Number of ACA subscribers in GA--~460k
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10-31-2020 , 06:19 PM
I think "repeal Obamacare and replace it with something terrific" is still on the list.

Also don't forget infrastructure week.
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10-31-2020 , 06:47 PM


Still want to know where the caught-a-sad-over-using-the-word-"fascism" guy is
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10-31-2020 , 07:21 PM
itshotinvegas going to tell us it's not illegal, so it's fine
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10-31-2020 , 07:31 PM
Well, it looks like trump broke Halloween. It's a literal ghost town
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10-31-2020 , 07:34 PM
Joe Biden's America. Sad!
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10-31-2020 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Sure. Use a comparable country like Canada for instance and compare the death rates. Like the USA#1 - Canada had a rough start with the virus, with a lot of deaths in homes for the elderly. However, since then Canada has been a lot more pro-active in mask usage, and there is none of the weird political baggage associated with masks that Trump and his followers created in the USA (which oddly is likely why he will now lose the election).

The current cases per capita comparison:

USA - over 28,000 per million

Canada - 6,000 per million


The current deaths per capita comparison:

USA - 711 per million

Canada - 268 per million


Now, keep in mind that the USA#1 is chugging along at a much, much bigger difference for now, with the USA#1 deaths per day about 1,000 and growing very quickly and Canada's daily is about 30, so the USA#1 has a current death rate more than four times Canada per capita and that difference is growing.


If we simply apply the different death ratios between the USA and Canada to date (268/711 = 0.38), then simply using that as a guide around 60%+ of deaths would not have happened had the USA#1 utilized an approach similar to Canada, and Canada was not the world's best at this either.

60% of the current 225,000+ deaths is about 140,000 people who would not have died had Trump handled this with a basic level of competence. A ton more people would also not have long term effects as well, as the cases is much larger per capita (with that gap increasing) due to how Trump handled Covid.

There you go, some simple math that you asked for, and I provide it knowing it will have zero impact on you.

All the best.
I always wonder when you compare countries with the US it goes through your head to mention that there are 50 different jurisdictions in the US with each having a different response and set of protocols for managing COVID and you compare with other countries with less jurisdictions or a more centralised system of government and you think that there is something utterly remarkable about the US case and death rate.
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10-31-2020 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
I always wonder when you compare countries with the US it goes through your head to mention that there are 50 different jurisdictions in the US with each having a different response and set of protocols for managing COVID and you compare with other countries with less jurisdictions or a more centralised system of government and you think that there is something utterly remarkable about the US case and death rate.
It might shock you to learn that the US has a federal government, currently headed by some fascist orange doofus, and this federal government, doofus included, had quite a large hand in the Covid response.
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10-31-2020 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Most of Canada is uninhabitable. Take a look at a map and you will see that 80-90% of the area of some provinces have basically no humans living there.

Of you really want we can do some basic comparisons of similar cities between the countries and you will see the same difference in results or worse for the USA#1.

Feel free to adjust for that then come back to me with your thoughts. Thanks!

All the best.
I think he makes a good point. There is no way Canada is anywhere close to having the same population density as the US and when one of the main ways to combat COVID is to social distance well this is obviously made much harder in the US with its population and in cities that have a lot more people per square metre compared to Canada. Not saying it is anywhere as a main factor for the US case and death rate but does make it harder to contain it.
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10-31-2020 , 07:59 PM
Most of the stuff was managed provincially or at the municipal level in Canada, but unlike the USA#1, we did not have an idiot in charge who got in the way of things and actually created a culture of denial about a virus, as if a virus cares about that sort of thing.

The USA#1 federal government essentially pretended it would all go away, when it was obvious it would not. That attitude is totally on Trump and his enablers and it killed a ton of Americans, no matter how much you and other die hard Trumpers want to pretend otherwise, and fortunately it likely will get his ass booted as a result this year, when all he had to be was Doug Ford (Mr buck a beer) in terms of treating the situation seriously and Trump wins easily.

As for the population density thing, that is pretty LOLworthy, as again a HUGE chunk of Canada has literally no people in it, and comparisons of similar sized cities (space and population) show a similar huge difference in numbers. I get that you guys need to try to explain away Trump's blundering, but the USA#1 has literally the worst results and if you really want to take population density as the only criteria then compare the USA to Japan or other countries. I would say Australia but its huge so the density is low (similar to Canada overall), even though most of the country is a desert that few people live in. Can't factor for that, right . Tick Tock!

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 10-31-2020 at 08:07 PM.
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10-31-2020 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
It might shock you to learn that the US has a federal government, currently headed by some fascist orange doofus, and this federal government, doofus included, had quite a large hand in the Covid response.
But ultimately the response resides with each state doesn't it and Washington provides additional funding with or without conditions - no different to Aus.
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10-31-2020 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
But ultimately the response resides with each state doesn't it and Washington provides additional funding with or without conditions - no different to Aus.
Right, because it's been a terrible response, it has nothing to do with Trump. Him calling it a hoax, putting incompetent people in charge of handling it, criticising states which implemented restrictions, inciting or at the very least endorsing rebellion and violence against the governors of those states, refusing to tell his supporters to wear masks, criticising political opponents for wearing masks, pushing to re-open everything too early, etc. etc. has absolutely no bearing on the course of the pandemic at all.
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