Anyone who's stupid enough to expect a serious candidate to be out having rallies, shaking hands, and kissing babies in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century is unlikely to ever vote Biden even if he were doing those things.

What absolute garbage.

Well, if you want to say his previous post has the same thesis as the one I quoted, OK, but then it's even more stupid. Trump's whole campaign is a small part telling easily disproven lies about what he did, and mostly telling ridiculous tales about how the things happening under Trump's watch will happen under Biden's. That's not really inspiring!

You gonna try to make the case for merely "Not racist, just #1 with racists" joe?

I think he was pointing to the fact that "orange man bad" isn't an especially inspiring strategy either.

Nah, my post was perfectly self-explanatory.

joe,

markksman was correct. Sorry it makes you feel sad.

LOL It doesn't make me sad at all. I actually find it quite humorous. Sorry to disappoint you.

James Woods hitting the mark again re the Atlantic con job.

Actually, I am wondering what chunk of Trump voters are the pure dummies with a billion huge flags on their sinking boat (that managed to turn patriotism from something that was kind of charming to more a symbol of anger/hatred) and what chunk are people like you who are kind of indifferent to Trump as a human, but enjoy his ride of annoying the arrogant libs. I kind of understand that motivation. Just look at the previous squatters that used to post here, who were a toxic little group in their own way, but I would still point out that the Trumper version of toxic represents more genuine danger to society, though not sure that is something that would do much in terms of swaying opinion.

Yeah, I am guessing if he gets elected that the chunk of Trumpers who are like you will almost be relieved. I mean, it is not like you genuinely believe Trump when he talks about the suburbs being invaded and such, even if you reference it to annoy libs.

I guess the question of the day would be what, if anything, would it take for Biden or anyone on that side to get your vote or to at least have you not vote for Trump. Note, I am not sure doing that (if anything could be done) would be worth the political price, but still curious about it. Thanks.

How gullible sre you? She was talking about the Republican's play book.

They voted for a guy who claims he didn't realize RoyCohn was gay after hanging out with him daily for ~20yrs. Apparently he thinks the mob are nice guys and had a crazy hunch Putin might've been behind some of the Russian loot buying up his properties

That's how gullible

(Actually he was only half black.)

Trump was considered a bottom 3 president on historical rankings before his impeachment and botching of Covid. He is drawing live to be considered the worst of all time and he has already locked in his rankings as dumbest with the least integrity of any POTUS. Sorry it hurts your feelings that people are bashing him but it is just obvious that with such a bad president running for re-election the campaign will be about that. Since Obama is black republicans tried to do the same thing in 2012 even though Obama was a top tier POTUS and they weren't that far from winning. Biden's been on TV quite a lot the last few weeksm and sounds great, quite a but more lucid than you do, for example. So that hardly seems like a reasonable attack for you. But if you want to try to convince us, talk about all the great positive things you would like to see him talk about. Just attacking Biden for attacking Trump is trivially self defeating.

A lot of words to describe sentiments .
I don’t see anything there why or what trump did in his first term why he deserve a second term ....

The US in a worst shape prior to when he took office .

This is how I see it as well....... and maybe a majority of voters see it this way as well.

Thus....... Biden doesn't need to convince anyone to vote for him. He needs to convince people to look at the past four years and simply ask "You want four more years of THAT?"

imo, it is the same-ish playbook Trump had in 2016. "Drain the Swamp....we need ANYBODY but a politician....."

You do not give him credit for keeping the economy moving along at a record pace along with the market? Or delivering the judges republicans so crave.
Just asking ? As I rate him near the bottom as well and could list so many bad things as well.

Lets be honest to It really would not matter who was in office every country is in worse shape than 8 months ago

It is part of his narcissism.

It is not enough for Trump to just say or think 'the military is not for me'. He sees these people get praise and put on pedestals as exemplary doing something he rejected doing and knows he would be disparaged for not doing. So he needs to demonize and diminish it in his mind to feel better about his choice.

Not only was he smart and right but they were dumb and wrong.

Trump's personality disorder does not just allow him to feel good about himself and his accomplishments but requires the comparison and diminishment of others.

Thus why he could not even accept Ronald Reagan or any prior POTUS getting praise, and his personality required him to try and undermine and undue any thing they did that might have gone down in history as great.

Prior to covid , trump was terrible economically !
Trump did 1 trillion more debt in his first 3 years than Obama in his last 3 years .
While Obama was stuck with a huge economic crisis for a long time , trump said himself it was the best economy ever When he took office and still manage to create huge deficit ?

What numbers or facts you have to say the US were in great shape economically during trump ?
Just because the Dow Jones was high pomped by tax cutes ?
The wealth gap as reach the 1930 level.
Over 50% of American live pay check by check .
the US debt is humungous but strangely , it wasn’t an issue no more because now it’s a republican president ?
When you compare gdp growth the first 3 years of trump with the last 3 years of Obama is basically a wash ( even tho trump made huge tax cuts) .

As for conservative judges , republicans were craving for more conservatives judges to turnover the abortion debate , which in effect failed with the Louisiana decision .

I just don’t see anything trump did even prior covid, that made the US in a better situation before he arrived in power .

Where is the best healthcare system in the world he promise to replace Obamacare is another example ....

Ps: yes I don’t take into account the last year of trump because of covid of course , that’s why I compare last 3 years of Obama with first 3 years of trump because the economy situation was similar .

If we judge President Trump's economy by candidate Trump's criteria it would get an F. Current economy has higher deficits, lower growth and higher trade imbalances than before, even pre-Covid. We were told those things were why the Obama economy was terrible despite all time market highs and decades low unemployment.

LOL at thinking obama's race hurt him in the eyes of people voting if he was one of the better presidents. If we only judge trump and obama on how they handled the biggest problem they faced as president you have obama attempting to slow down an economic recovery which he was very successful at in that it was the slowest economic recovery in the history of the country and trump who either did a lot (travel restrictions, got private enterprise more involved than almost any other past president could have, successfully tricked people into wearing masks & social distancing by saying we shouldn't do those things knowing that the media and liberals would go over the top doing the opposite of what he said, created a business friendly environment pre-covid which gave us a stronger economy than hillary, 4 more yrs of obama or biden would have) or did nothing depending on the tint of your glasses - both of which are better than obama.

I don't think you can say "Obama was stuck with a huge economic crisis for a long time" since he was only stuck with a poorly growing economy because of his policy. You also can't compare GDP growth under obama and trump since obama became president at a time when the country was one accounting rule change away from taking off (even though obama reversed the accounting rule it took too long and his other policies succesfuly prevented the US economy from taking off) and trump became president at a decent time (taking obama's foot off the brakes would equal average growth).

"I just don’t see anything trump did even prior covid, that made the US in a better situation before he arrived in power."

He cut taxes and business regulation which economically was YUGE.

lmfao, this is hilarious. also refutes the whole "silent majority" argument, no?

your rewriting of history isn't fooling anyone bahbah. how do you get away with all of the lying?

I never said that. It was one of the main issues republicans and non college educated whites had against him. Obviously these people don't participate in historian rankings of presidents that place Obama as one of the better presidents.

This is complete nonsense. The slow rate of growth under Obama was completely predictable and he did nothing to slow it down. It was the same to worse in western Europe, Japan and all developed economies. It slowed down further under Trump pre-Covid with much larger debt added on. But I don't think Trump tried to slow it down. Only idiots expect 5%+ growth in the US like Trump promised. Why do YOU think the growth rate was the all time historic low for 3 consecutive non recessionary years under Trump if Obama was the one slowing it down?

Trump has done the worst in the industrialized world on Covid. The Trump response was so bad they gave up on a national testing plan because Kushner/Pence were too dumb to procure and distribute tests. Every other country got this done. And lol at Trump getting private companies involved. He completely blew getting private companies to make PPE early and never got private labs to mass test. They announced a major initiatuve with google that Google didn't even know about

Nothing on this today? Trump publicly downplayed COVID even while privately admitting it was dangerous

He later admitted exactly what was he doing:

He "didn't want to create a panic", as if the president lying about how bad it was while everyone else in the country was honest about it was going to stop a "panic".