July 3rd was the national holiday for July 4th. That is when the fireworks went off. The July 3rd speech was smashed by the media for what you suggested, which was false criticism.

Now you clarified it was a different speech. I will look for it.

Not going to comment on this Smudger?

Now I are just making stuff up so the deplorables can dunk on u and look better? Are u a double agent?

LOL. You just can't give him any credit.

I bet if we go back to the time he made the initial China shutdown you probably had comments calling him racist, as most of the media did.

That's not true. The US was saying in early Feb that China was going to allow US scientists. It wouldn't have been hard for a competent president to have had a US presence there from near the start.

What? I gave him credit in the exact post you were responding to, where I said the statement you made was true.

Can you answer my questions?

I say a lot of things.

Was that in the COVID thread?

Still on board with total victory as far as flattening the curve and the hospital system has not been overwhelemed.

That was the goal. That has been achieved. Pockets will pick up and shutdowns will need to happen in certain areas going forward for us to take a victory lap.

You can look up your post that I quoted, I didn't make it up.

So you've doubled your estimate on the ultimate number of deaths since you first declared total victory 6 weeks ago, and you still consider it total victory? Just making sure I've got that right.

Back in April when things were still mostly locked down, at it looked like the US was close to getting Covid down to a level where it could then be managed via contact tracing and masks, Trump and his CDC (Dr Birx) were celebrating that it looked like US covid cases would top out at 60,000 deaths.

That was Trump's revised upward # from the '15 going to zero' estimate he gave prior.

Then Trump got scared by economic data and decided the US must open up regardless of Covid. He and his surrogates then began changing the messaging, that 60,000+ was actually a good job as it could be between 100,000 -200,000 deaths if not for Trumps great management.

In the last month, if you are paying attention you will notice Trump (not yet the surrogates) floating a 2 Million deaths number for deaths. He has said in several interviews 'well, it could have been 2 million deaths by now if...'

As 200,000 deaths are blown through in the US the 2MM number will be the new target all Trump surrogates will echo. Anything less than 2MM is proof of Trump's great management.

They are learning to not bump the number by small increments hoping it can be contained on the current path. They know their ineptitude will not contain it and thus they need to switch to just defining failure (one shy of 2MM deaths) as success.


(if you haven't noticed pay attention when Trump sticks around long enough to be pressed on total deaths and you will hear him drop the 2MM 'success" number)

I'm aware of the progression. I am just trying to highlight what a clown Smudger is being with his proclamations of "total victory".

Sure. Allow them in with the WHO team that they kept shut up in a hotel in Beijing.

Allowing them in and actually letting them investigate anything are two different things. Don't be so naive.

Meh, was hoping if this guy's fake account was still lingering that he would take on the "geography's fault" belief structure with it. Guess he is stuck with his old material.

All the best.

You're, like, being anti Semitic, man.

Haha, just kidding (until you blame Kushner for all the world problems).

It is total victory. We mostly reopened, with restrictions and hospitals are not being overwhelemed. it is what was asked of us. It is what we achieved.

Now, common sense mask wearing and staying 6 feet apart would go a long way...

And, for the record, I think I have been mostly consistent with 600,000 US deaths as the number.

We have a long way to go.

It's a horrible diesease that is going to kill a lot of people.

It cannot be avoided.

Protecting the hospital system is designed to make sure everyone gets treatment that needs it. Which probably cuts it from 1,000,000 to 600,000 deaths.

Since 600,000 are dying from COVID anyway, why do I want another 400,000 dying from shutdown and economic related issues?

For casual readers who are unfamiliar with your body of work, I'll clarify that "mostly consistent" above is shorthand for "I had half that number and I keep pulling new numbers out of my ass because I'm a clown who doesn't know what he is talking about, so nobody should take me seriously".

Unfortunately Trump was the naive one.


China has a history of trying to keep outside scientists out, but will bend to international pressure like with SARS in 2002. Unfortunately Trump wasn't smart enough to successfully do it like even Bush, not the sharpest tool, was.

Cool. So, to summarize:
- first you claim Trump did one slightly good thing, and there's nothing else he could have done
- when cornered, you admit there's other things Trump could have done, but won't do, to save lives
- when cornered even more, you give up responding and start wildly shouting about how we should all be crediting Trump for the one slightly good thing he did and shut up about the rest

lol

The stock market looks 6 months in advance. Think it would be going up if we were going into another prologned shut down? And things were going to get really ugly again?

Why can't you guys just be happy?

This thread is stupid. I'll argue with you all on the COVID thread.

Do you not care to try and get a single thing right on this?


Trump and his Trumpsters like to blame China and the W.H.O for their failings while saying they were 'perfect' in how they handled it.

The FACT is that while China tried to minimize the early impact of Covid (as Trump admin is trying to do now in the US), and the W.H.O may have trusted China too much, Trump also trusted China too much.

Trump was not reliant on the W.H.O to provide him the info on China. The US has the best intelligence in the World (better than the W.H.O) and Trump made it clear 'he had his people on the ground' and 'he was in communication with XE', and 'all was good'. That is on Trump.

- Trump officials did sound the coronavirus alarm. They just don’t work there anymore.

- U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic

These are just some of Trump's statements all thru Jan and Feb

- Jan. 30, Fox News interview:

"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."

Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:

"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

Feb. 7, Twitter:

“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:

"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”

Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:

"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."

Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:

“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”

Feb. 13, Fox News interview:

“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:

“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”

Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One departure:

"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"


Feb. 26, remarks at a business roundtable in New Delhi, India:

“China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.”

Feb. 27, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller.”

Feb. 29, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”


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Take note that even as the W.H.O turned the corner February 7th, and was now recognizing that info coming out of China was not reliable and the threat to other nations was very real and that World wide PPE would be a real problem...

- Coronavirus concerns trigger global run on supplies for health workers, causing shortages

Trump was still singing China and XI's praises as per the timeline above and the Trump admin as sending literally TONS (17+TONS) of PPE to China from the strategic stockpile while proclaiming the US was safe.

- Trump administration sent protective medical gear to China while he minimized the virus threat to US

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So NO. How the handling of this was botched is on Trump. China had a problem. All sorts of countries not named the US are handling it well. The Trump lead US is a leader in handling it poorly and all the blame belongs to them.

Well, I am happy each month when Canada continues to keep the border closed to the USA, so there is that. You know, for both countries benefits as Canadians tell Americans to make them feel better.

Quick question to you. When Trump loses to this walking creepy corpse the Democrats put up, and a huge number of his former people turn on him - who will you support in that battle? Thanks!

All the best.

Who is turning on who? I don't quite understand the question.

I will not support the result of the election if there are court challenges. If the courts rule for Biden, I will fully support him as President of the United States. I will disagree with him, but won't say things like, "He isn't my President'.

I will also not support a Trump reelection if there are court challenges.

If the courts have to decide, then the courts have to decide.

Yeah, I can see you are kind of slow to understand stuff. No problem, I will ask again in a simpler manner.

Let's assume Trump gets trounced by one of the weakest opponents ever, so much so that any court case will be laughed out of court. He loses, everyone knows it etc. Immediately after that a flurry of books by people who were sycophants to him will come out and tell all the gory details of how much of a moron he was the whole time. Some will say they stayed there to help keep the country safe from him. Others will just do it for the Benjamins.

At that time - will you still support Trump or his former followers who insta-turned on him? More asking for the amusement factor, and while the damage this idiot has done cannot fully be reversed (he killed a ton of Americans), it will be mildly amusing to see how some people react to his defeat. Hope that better framed the question for you to understand it, and I thank you in advance for your response, as you are one of the few Trumpkins that actually has the bravery to do that.

All the best.

What can you cite that shows your 600,000 deaths for the US is expected and reasonable?

600,000 deaths equals 1829 per 1 million people in the US. Currently the US is at 404 deaths per million so that would be a quadrupling or 400% increase which is massive.

I mean, I do think the US is doing everything to grab that #1 spot for deaths amongst major countries and they will achieve it within a few months (we're #1, we're #1!, Murica!!) and you might see the US tragically go to around 800 deaths per Million but that is a far cry from your 1829 deaths per million.

And if other countries that are doing much better now do not follow the US to that 1829/Million will you say 'ya but the US is different. We should expect to excel in this area?'

Oh, I am actually probably voting for Jo Jorgensen. But she is pissing me off with her lack of visibility.

But, no, I will give him a lot of pros and a lot of cons.

I don't think he brought the country together with his rhetoric, but he had a lot of liberal policies and processes which Dems should like he gets no credit for.

And having a Step Daughter in the army, I am very pleased with his foreign policy to date as far as new conflicts.