Well, it is also making a lot of people sick, not just older people, and many are taking a while to recover from it. Some do not like that 41 year old Broadway actor.

I am assuming you are not going to be full eugenics, though maybe you are in favor of that, but as Trumps team insists all schools be full blast open and talk about how kids dont get sick too often ( a few die, but whatcha gonna do) - what about the teachers that have health conditions or are 60+? What about the support staff/cleaning staff etc? What about those that are working there that are also taking care of a relative (parent/child) with medical conditions?

Again, if your theory is just charge headfirst into it - then why not suggest every person get it injected into them and let the cards fall where they will and move on (assuming people are then immune - which, maybe not so much over time).

I guess I will ask you - using Florida and Texas for now - should they just open everything up again full blast? If not, why not? Bars need to make money after all.

All the best.

Then he found birtherism.

Trump is like a machine-learning algorithm. If it gets more likes and retweets, he keeps going with it.

And then he said they were the pro-life party. LOLOL

George W. Bush tried his best to destroy the American Empire over 8 years and couldn't do it.

The American Empire is doing fine. The response to COVID will not be a long term detriment to American excellence. The economy will bounce back.

And, despite what the Trumpers say, Biden will not destroy the American Empire. The economy will be fine. Things will move on. His tax plan might cause a .75% reduction in GDP. Things will not be destroyed.

I am a little nervous about Biden's foreign policy. Despite Trump's bravado he has not got us engulfed in some stupid conflict where our troops are at constant risk. We go in places, we never come out. We want to pull troops from Germany (that war ended in 1945!) and everyone goes crazy. Hopefully, Biden won't be in the business of nation building, but I am a little nervous on that one.

2020 is pretty terrible, but I think it was mostly due to shutdown. I don't think there was any reasonable way to avoid a shut down. The left thinks we should have been shutdown longer.

You can say that he didn't combat the virus correctly and there should have been less death and problems, but 2020 is the worst year on record due to shutting down, which every country in the world agreed was the right thing.

I don't think 2020 has been all that bad for Germany, South Korea and a host of other countries. For the US it's not even close. This was way worse in the US than 2001, 2005,2008 etc. This was definitely avoidable with a better POTUS.

FYP

All politicians are pieces of ****. At least those who make it to the top. You sound like an idealistic 24-year-old, though, with the "I won't vote for anyone because they're all pieces of ****" when it has long since been voting against and not for. I'm voting against Trump - the only way to achieve that is to vote Biden.

Yes, Trump hasn't gotten us into a foreign conflict like other presidents have done; he's been too busy creating the conflict within the US, and that is far worse. If you watched his July 4th speech, he essentially declared war on half the US.

Trump **** the bed on early testing.

He was good on the early China shutdown.

Other than that, what was he supposed to do? These are state decisions.

If he goes on TV wearing a mask, that would fix it all? Is that really the suggestion here?

I saw his July 3rd speech and it did nothing of the sort.

True/false: fewer people would be dead if Trump supported wearing masks and did so in public.

Then watch his July 4th speech.

Fewer people would have contracted COVID 19 to this point.

That said, 600,000 Americans are going to die of this horrible disease short of a vaccination. Just depends on how long it stretches.

His July 3rd speech was for the July 4th celebration in front of Mount Rushmore. is that the speech you are referring to, or did he give a different one on July 4th?

Yup.

And even though young people survive it, it is causing issues and leaving its scars such that if it does keep reoccurring each year like the Flu, they will be more likely to die from it later due to them now having these pre-existing conditions (covid scars).

But the good news though is it will be a gold mine for insurance companies with a Trump win destroying the requirement of Insurance companies to cover those with preexisting conditions as now they will boot them all and set up bankruptcy pools to liquidate their assets should they need insurance.

So, yes, there would be fewer deaths right now, correct?

So you're already predicting your own "worse [sic] case" scenario from 6 weeks ago, but you are still banging that "curve has been flattened, total victory" drum? Lol you.

If Trump supported the wearing of masks, fewer people would be dead today.

Since I answered you, True of False, if Trump didn't shut down travel to China when he did, more Americans would be dead today?

Nah. Don't close down the pandemic response team, you simply can't hire them back when you need like Trump thought. Don't take China's word for it that they have everything under control, pressure Xi to allow in US scientists back when Trump first didn't read about this in his PDB. Use the DPA back in Feb to start ramping up PPE etc production. Don't leave it on states to bid against each other. Implement a competent screening program for travelers early that asks about travel to Wuhan and about symptoms. If the CDC had their own scientists in Wuhan they could have worked with the EU to drastically reduce the spread from China to Europe which would have drastically cut the number of cases in the US. It's quite possible we could be looking at a death toll in the thousands with curve looking more like the UK and a far shorter lock down than what we see now with Obama or any top quarter senator as POTUS rather than Trump.

China wouldn't allow in US scientists or doctors. How was he going to pressure XI? More tariffs?

The only think Trump accomplished with the early China Shutdown was that he delayed the influx of Corona via that avenue.

A delay where you do nothing later though does almost nothing. You need to use that time to prepare.

Trump did none of that and in fact discouraged it.

He was busy all thru February saying it would go away and not getting the States ready.

The Federal Government needs to be like the Admiral on these type of National threats with the States being the Field Generals and Foot Soldiers.

Due to the fact that COvid respect no borders, you cannot have each and every State making their own call re what to do, as the Country as a whole is only as strong as its weakest link or State.

You also need the Feds quarterbacking the Messaging, PPE, Ventilators or other physical needs, so that States don't end up fighting over them or the wrong State gets too much while a 'need' State gets too little.

A unified message from the POTUS and his Scientists saying 'This is what we need every person in the US to do and we ask Governors to all do this', is critically needed to save the Governors from the potential 'politics' of the situation. If everyone from the POTUS, to the Governors, to the Scientist said the same thing, then almost no individual would be able to go against them.


So overall the Trump admin, and especially Trump have been a complete disaster on handling this. It is hard to see any point he could be much worse.

And the US soon to hold every single major death or hospitalization record in total numbers and pro rata (we're #1, we're #1) is the proof of that.

The US is the World Leader in death despite always touting how great the US system is. Shame on them.


But for pro Trumpers there is still hope. Hope named Brazil, as an emerging and strong competitor for the 'Worst Handled" title. Brazil is putting in a valiant effort and with recent moves has proven they intend to be in this for the long run. They won't give up that #1 spot to the US without a fight, so you can cling to that.

When you said July 3rd, which speech did you think I thought you were talking about when I told you to watch his July 4th speech twice? Besides the 3rd and the 4th, the last time he spoke was on June 23, which certainly cannot be misconstrued for an Independence Day speech, no?

Who had problems with ventilators?

Everyone who needed a ventilator got a ventilator. Shutdowns were enacted before any system got overwhelemed.

He sent a hospital boat to New York cause they were pushing it, but they didn't have to use it.

True.

True or false: Trump's "shutdown" of travel from China wasn't really a shutdown, and more lives would have been saved if it was stricter.

True or false: Trump ignored the threat of travel from Europe for far too long, and many more lives would have been saved had he acted faster to stop it.