This is dumb too. First of all there are exceptions and 2nd of all businesses have a vested interest in keeping infected people out of the workplace. DUCY?

LOL at the narrative that businesses want infected workers in their facilities and that the government wouldn’t shut them down in a heartbeat if they had an outbreak in the workplace.

The far left and their BS narratives.

And Turtle with the extra **** you on top.

ThE fAr LefT

You get a choice between distitution or take your chance in a COVID hot zone. If you're illegal then you'll get ice called on you or not then blacklisted from other processing plants.

On the other side, the True Patriots were putting along on their gators flagging their flag amd screaming that healthcare workers are fake and why isn't The Cheesecake Factory open

The idea of Tyranny is, at most, a possibility in on those situation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...upply.amp.html

Is adios ever right about anything?

What a Pig

Precisely what Trump and his people have successfully done is targe the dumber part of the American population. He speaks at an sixth grade level. He says incoherent things. He reacts negatively to substance and logic. All that appeals and makes sense to morons, particularly when they perceive that all he does and says is on their behalf. Rich morons are particularly susceptible because they feel bad about not deserving their wealth. (Rich means above average income.)

No, they see what they would like to be.

Obama quite explicitly sold the same thing (change you can believe in), only difference was that he is something a decent person might want to be.

LOL at this BS. So your claiming the employers haven’t made any changes and that they are happy to let infected employees back in the building(s).

So?

What nonsense.

Looking at these passive aggressive and not so passive aggressive moves by different governors, you have a serious problem with trust in the US.

So what? The idea that employers want infected workers in their facilities is just nonsense. Iowa actually allows infected workers to remain on unemployment.

CDC Guidance on Meat Packing Plants and COVID-19

Quote:

Exposure risk among meat and poultry processing workers

Exposure risk among meat and poultry processing workers
Workers involved in meat and poultry processing are not exposed to SARS-CoV-2 through the meat products they handle. However, their work environments—processing lines and other areas in busy plants where they have close contact with coworkers and supervisors—may contribute substantially to their potential exposures. The risk of occupational transmission of SARS-CoV-2 depends on several factors. Some of these factors are described in the U.S. Department of Labor and U.S. Department of and Health and Human Services’ booklet Guidance on Preparing Workplaces for COVID-19pdf iconexternal icon. Distinctive factors that affect workers’ risk for exposure to SARS-CoV-2 in meat and poultry processing workplaces include:

Distance between workers – meat and poultry processing workers often work close to one another on processing lines. Workers may also be near one another at other times, such as when clocking in or out, during breaks, or in locker/changing rooms.
Duration of contact – meat and poultry processing workers often have prolonged closeness to coworkers (e.g., for 10-12 hours per shift). Continued contact with potentially infectious individuals increases the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.
Type of contact – meat and poultry processing workers may be exposed to the infectious virus through respiratory droplets in the air – for example, when workers in the plant who have the virus cough or sneeze. It is also possible that exposure could occur from contact with contaminated surfaces or objects, such as tools, workstations, or break room tables. Shared spaces such as break rooms, locker rooms, and entrances/exits to the facility may contribute to their risk.
Other distinctive factors that may increase risk among these workers include:
A common practice at some workplaces of sharing transportation such as ride-share vans or shuttle vehicles, car-pools, and public transportation
Frequent contact with fellow workers in community settings in areas where there is ongoing community transmission.
Create a COVID-19 assessment and control plan
A qualified workplace coordinator should be identified who will be responsible for COVID-19 assessment and control planning. All workers in the facility should know how to contact the identified coordinator with any COVID-19 concerns. Infection control and occupational safety and health plans should apply to anyone entering or working in the plant (e.g., all facility workers, contractors, and others). Facility management should reach out to state and/or local public health officials and occupational safety and health professionals and establish ongoing communications to make sure they are getting relevant and up-to-date information concerning COVID-19. The workplace coordinators and management should also be aware of and follow all applicable federal regulations and public health agency guidelines. Worksite assessments to identify COVID-19 risks and prevention strategies should be done periodically as part of sound occupational health and public health practice. As part of these assessments, facilities should consider the appropriate role for testing and workplace contact tracing (identifying person-to-person spread) of COVID-19-positive workers in a worksite risk assessment, following available CDC guidance.

Controls

Worker infection prevention recommendations are based on an approach known as the hierarchy of controls. This approach groups actions by their effectiveness in reducing or removing hazards. In most cases, the preferred approach is to eliminate a hazard or processes; install engineering controls; and implement appropriate cleaning, sanitation, and disinfection practices to reduce exposure or shield workers. Administrative controls are also an important part of an approach to prevention in these workplaces.

Engineering Controls

Configure communal work environments so that workers are spaced at least six feet apart, if possible. Current information about the asymptomatic spread of SARS-CoV-2 supports the need for social distancing and other protective measures within a meat and poultry processing work environment. Changes in production practices may be necessary in order to maintain appropriate distances among workers.

Still struggling with this whole concept of asymptomatic infections and lack of testing, aren't you?

No I am not. Did you read the guidelines? What guidelines would you propose, wait until the virus dies out (what about if it doesn’t) before ending in place shuttering for everybody?

Do what every other country is doing and lock it down until sufficient testing is in place to ensure that there isn't a second peak. Listen to the experts for how much testing is required to minimise the risk of a second peak. It's not rocket science.

The fact that fat Donny and his merry band of morons keep lying about how much testing there is and refusing to acknowledge its importance is certainly not helping.

I am in the UK, and while I am by no means a fan of our current government, at least they haven't gone full ****** like the US, and seem to be doing fine under the circumstances.

ETA: Then again, we don't have mouthbreathers storming parliament screaming "Give me liberty of give me COVID", so there is that.

Please elaborate on “sufficient testing” like test everyone, everyday? Is that what other countries are doing? Have you actually read what individual states are doing?


Are Fauci and Birx experts enough for you let alone the CDC and the FDA?

Actually policy in the workplace for returning to business is pretty much up to the state governors. The TRUMP administration has offered guidelines. TRUMP stated that he thinks the governor of Georgia is taking too much risk.

Ymmv on what states are implementing what policy. California for instance policy is far different than the policy implemented in Oklahoma.

How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 btw.

I will back to this thread because I really want read views on policy being implemented by state governors. Maybe CA would be a good place to start.

If Fauci and Birx and the CDC and the FDA are saying to open it back up, that would seem reasonable. You got a cite on that?

The only point of yours I was responding to is the asinine contention that employers don't want infected employees in the workplace. It is asinine because lack of testing means a large number of people may not know they are infected.

But since we're here, let's do some back of the napkin calculations for a second.

$2 trillion stimulus bill approved.
Let's say 200 million people received $1,200 each. That's about $240 billion. Let's be generous and round it up to $300 billion.

That leaves $1.7 trillion,or 85% of the stimulus money to account for. Where'd the money go? To businesses, I hear you say. So if it all went to businesses, what are they using it for, if it's not to pay off their employees instead of laying them off while the lockdown is in place?

It isn’t asinine. What part of the CDC guidelines I posted do you have a problem with? What is asinine is to promote a narrative that employers aren’t taking precautions and do not have to follow government imposed policy in returning to business.

One thing that businesses got were loans from the SBA. The employers use the money to pay laid off workers their regular wages while laid off. If the laid off workers are returned to employment then the loans are forgiven IE they end up being grants. Also laid off workers that aren’t covered by employers getting loans have their UE benefits supplemented with an extra $600 a week. My wife is laid off. She got the UE money and the extra $600 a week until her employer got the loan. Now she is laid off getting her regular paycheck. Money also went to fund the medical necessities among other things.

Corona virus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act

Didn't read the guidelines, and if I did, I wouldn't have a view on them because I'm not an expert. Cite me where the scientists are saying that it's fine to open it back up, and great, I'll agree that it's fine to open it back up.


ETA: Not just talking about meat packing plants. Talking about everything - bars, hair salons, etc. etc., which appears to be what the Trumpists want.

Hard to see how that accounts for $1.7 trillion, but w/e.

So if the businesses are using this money to pay workers, what's the rush in opening everything back up?

Relatively terrible.

You can drive into Sweden from three countries, so its a reasonably fair assumption that they have a relatively equal exposure in their geographic region and if there are mutations of the virus with different levels of morbidity then again its fair to assume they are exposed to the same strain.

Sweden has more deaths per capita than Finland, Norway and Denmark combined and nearly three times total deaths combined.

Sweden 244 Deaths per Million. (2462)

Norway: 38 Deaths per Million. (206)
Finland: 37 Deaths per Million. (206)
Denmark: 76 Deaths per Million. (443)

I edited my post to provide a link to a more detailed accounting.

There isn’t a “rush” to return. There are states still locked down and the return to operating businesses is being done in a phased manner, cautiously in my view.