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03-07-2020 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
Religious groups are inherently right wing.

Even the ones banned in China?
What about when the right-wing government burns down their compound? Right on right violence?

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 03-07-2020 at 09:13 AM.
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03-07-2020 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
Religious groups are inherently right wing.

What sections of the left?

I would agree with Christians are inherently right wing but not religious groups
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03-07-2020 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I would agree with Christians are inherently right wing but not religious groups
What aspect of Christianity makes them inherently rightwing? The "pay Rome its money" one? If so I can see that but I wonder if that's what you're thinking or not. I could also see some counter-arguments too.
Here is how rightwing and leftwing should be defined btw:
Rightwing supports the power structure and leftwing opposes it. Really simple.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 03-07-2020 at 12:45 PM.
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03-07-2020 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
What aspect of Christianity makes them inherently rightwing? The "pay Rome its money" one? If so I can see that but I wonder if that's what you're thinking or not. I could also see some counter-arguments too.
Here is how rightwing and leftwing should be defined btw:
Rightwing supports the power structure and leftwing opposes it. Really simple.

The way they vote. They tend to vote conservative. I was raised Christian and they mainly vote Conservative as they are against abortion and social programs. Reality is Trump delivered on the judges which was I think #1 for the Evangelicals
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03-07-2020 , 12:53 PM
Conservatives and liberals are both a part of the power structure--and voting patterns aren't really an inherent aspect of a religion. So I'm not so sure that is a valid argument. Telling them to pay their taxes though...
But you have the quackers who went to court to try to avoid paying for war--which is pretty leftwing.
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03-07-2020 , 12:57 PM
Creates an Us vs Them dynamic? And often justifies empire building. Something to chew on for all the self-righteous Rs who think they're above 'identity' politics. Based around a top down hierarchy with a 'king' at the top? Clever play to carve out a niche when you're dealing with a bunch of real kings here on Earth back in the day--claim you serve the king of the universe. Helps reinforce their(the Earthly leaders) power structure by keeping everyone in line? But the Church has been happy to ally with either side really for the most part.
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03-07-2020 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
No they aren't


Some of the working class have been very homophobic while also being left wing
Religious groups have a higher density of people of low intelligence than do other groups, and the same is true for rightwing political parties (which basically appeal to handsome dumb people who were born well off). There's a lot of intersection, but it might be a consequence rather than causal.
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03-07-2020 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lunkwill
I could go on & on with specific examples but... what's the use?
IMHO, His followers support him for one of two reasons:
1) They are swept up in a kind of emotional "cult of personality" that is devoid of logic & reason.
2) They recognize him as a buffoon but support him for selfish reasons (perceived future wealth, to stop abortion, etc) at the expense of everything else.
3) They believe his economic policies will benefit an overwhelming majority of the US & the world.
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03-07-2020 , 03:05 PM
Believe being the operative word. Prior to that they believed Reagan, Bush and W were good ideas lol. Another terrible error in judgment or did they knock it out of the park for once? Let's try to turn everywhere else into a bunch of busto redstates. Seems like a good idea.
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03-07-2020 , 03:13 PM
Marcon says what experts have been saying for weeks. An epidemic is inevitable but we should stay calm, take precautions, but not panic.

Meanwhile we have a buffoon talking over the CDC and real experts trying to pretend Covid-19 will just go away.

With the might of the private sector finally starting to bear on the problem (Quest and LabCorp), we are going to see number of confirmed cases skyrocket.

And when anti bodies tests come out, my guess is we will find a lot of people already had the virus and fought it off without ever feeling sick. It’s the most plausible explanation I have seen so far for the death/infectious patter we have seen so far.
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03-07-2020 , 03:20 PM
Is there anything that can reasonably be done at this point? I saw something where a guy in New York got it, gave it to his whole family, and gave it to his neighbor who drove him to the hospital, who subsequently gave it to his whole family. Last I heard the death rate is 3.4% but hopefully that is wrong because it would mean >100 million deaths world wide.
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03-07-2020 , 03:27 PM
In the opinion of experts not employed by Chinese government, WHO, CDC, and CEPI, most likely we just have to learn to live with the virus like we live with the flu.

3.4% is unlikely to be final. Most are saying 0.3-1% but infecting most of global population. That translates to hundreds of thousands of dead in US and millions globally.

Then it will just slow down because basically everyone will have been hit with the virus and will have partial immunity. The virus itself is also likely to mutate toward being less lethal because less lethal strands have better chances of spreading and survival. This is essentially what happened with the flu.

Our best hope is basically this strand is particularly vulnerable to warm weather and will just be wiped out in the summer.

This is exactly the kind of situation where we need leadership out of White House to deliver bad news and still keep us calm. Instead we got a frigging buffoon delivering empty promises.

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03-07-2020 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
In the opinion of experts not employed by Chinese government, WHO, CDC, and CEPI, most likely we just have to learn to live with the virus like we live with the flu.

3.4% is unlikely to be final. Most are saying 0.3-1% but infecting most of global population. That translates to hundreds of thousands of dead in US and millions globally.

Then it will just slow down because basically everyone will have been hit with the virus and will have partial immunity. The virus itself is also likely to mutate toward being less lethal because less lethal strands have better chances of spreading and survival. This is essentially what happened with the flu.

Our best hope is basically this strand is particularly vulnerable to warm weather and will just be wiped out in the summer.

This is exactly the kind of situation where we need leadership out of White House to deliver bad news and still keep us calm. Instead we got a frigging buffoon delivering empty promises.
You got to say this about Trump, he's absolutely and reliably a self aggrandizing ignorant & arrogant buffoon. He's said at least a half dozen idiotic things during the coronavirus outbreak that are OBJECTIVELY either false or just intended to pump us his ego & remind us that he is omniscient. BTW, NONE of these half dozen things are "republican/conservative" ideologies. It's just ALL about him.

I'd love to hear his supporters try & defend any of them.
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03-07-2020 , 05:03 PM
off-topic


but how the world works with pandemics.


I actualy believe that in the impossible scenario of a zombie Apocalypse. we truly wouldn't be ready for it.



however,


if trump admin shut down all traffic from china January 15th, EVRY SINGLE ONE OF YOU would be bitching up a storm left and right saying how "inhumane" that would be.

you just cant win no matter what
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03-07-2020 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
Believe being the operative word. Prior to that they believed Reagan, Bush and W were good ideas lol. Another terrible error in judgment or did they knock it out of the park for once? Let's try to turn everywhere else into a bunch of busto redstates. Seems like a good idea.
Why do you think Reagan, Bush & W were bad ideas?
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03-07-2020 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by the pleasure
off-topic


but how the world works with pandemics.


I actualy believe that in the impossible scenario of a zombie Apocalypse. we truly wouldn't be ready for it.



however,


if trump admin shut down all traffic from china January 15th, EVRY SINGLE ONE OF YOU would be bitching up a storm left and right saying how "inhumane" that would be.

you just cant win no matter what
Biden already called Trumps China travel ban racist. I mean WTF.

Last edited by joe6pack; 03-07-2020 at 05:38 PM.
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03-07-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Why do you think Reagan, Bush & W were bad ideas?
In '80 he was running against Carter--the most decent person we've had in the oval in our lifetime--easy choice imo. Reagan solidified the shift to the right we made starting @Nixon. He was also the guy who laid the groundwork for nafta you guys supposedly all think wrecked the country(and try to hang entirely on Clinton lol not including all the other stuff). Books are written about this stuff we have far less space. Bush1 aka mr nwo himself/gulf war for you anti-globalist types And W for 2 ~20yr wars other obv stuff.

In relative terms--the 90s were better than the 80s. Minus any youthful nostalgia people around my age may have. And the Obama years were Far better than the W years. That's just my take though.

Last edited by wet work; 03-07-2020 at 05:42 PM.
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03-07-2020 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by the pleasure
off-topic


but how the world works with pandemics.


I actualy believe that in the impossible scenario of a zombie Apocalypse. we truly wouldn't be ready for it.



however,


if trump admin shut down all traffic from china January 15th, EVRY SINGLE ONE OF YOU would be bitching up a storm left and right saying how "inhumane" that would be.

you just cant win no matter what
I agree that shutting down air traffic would have been the wrong thing to do regardless of whether Obama or Trump did it. I'm against Trump's ACTIONS Although I think he's a despicable person, if he were to act normally I'd have too give him credit.
But... he never disappoints.
He is both personally repugnant and strategically inept.
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03-07-2020 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lunkwill
I agree that shutting down air traffic would have been the wrong thing to do regardless of whether Obama or Trump did it. I'm against Trump's ACTIONS Although I think he's a despicable person, if he were to act normally I'd have too give him credit.
But... he never disappoints.
He is both personally repugnant and strategically inept.
WAT?

Shutting down air traffic was absolutely the correct thing to do.
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03-07-2020 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
In '80 he was running against Carter--the most decent person we've had in the oval in our lifetime--easy choice imo. Reagan solidified the shift to the right we made starting @Nixon. He was also the guy who laid the groundwork for nafta you guys supposedly all think wrecked the country(and try to hang entirely on Clinton lol not including all the other stuff). Books are written about this stuff we have far less space. Bush1 aka mr nwo himself/gulf war for you anti-globalist types And W for 2 ~20yr wars other obv stuff.

In relative terms--the 90s were better than the 80s. Minus any youthful nostalgia people around my age may have. And the Obama years were Far better than the W years. That's just my take though.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say nafta wrecked the economy. People blame Clinton for 2008 because under his watch government twisted the arms of banks to give people loans who shouldn’t have qualified for the loans for the sake of helping the poor.

The economy would have done as well or better during obama’s terms under any republican who has ran for president over the last 50 and most dems (Bernie and Elizabeth being the most obvious exceptions).
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03-07-2020 , 06:17 PM
How testing failures allowed coronavirus to sweep the U.S.

The Trump administration’s decision to forgo a World Health Organization test and create its own had fateful consequences

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...failure-123166

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“Please provide an explanation for why the Covid-19 diagnostic test approved by the World Health Organization was not used,” Sen. Patty Murray, the ranking Democrat on the Senate health committee, who represents the hard-hit state of Washington, asked in a 3½-page letter on the testing fiasco to Pence, Health Secretary Alex Azar, CDC director Robert Redfield, and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn.

So far, none has been provided.
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The government’s incapacity to conduct widespread testing slowed diagnoses, creating chains of infection. It also deprived epidemiologists of a map that could have told them how far and how fast the virus was traveling and where they should concentrate efforts to slow it down.
Thanks Trump!

Last edited by ligastar; 03-07-2020 at 06:32 PM.
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03-07-2020 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say nafta wrecked the economy.
Are you seriously saying trump hadn't attacked nafta(and other similar deals) for years i.e. losing millions of jobs/manufacturing/trade deficits/'globalism' etc?? I said country by the way. If he didn't think it was negatively changing the country--why seek to change it? funsies?
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03-07-2020 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say nafta wrecked the economy. People blame Clinton for 2008 because under his watch government twisted the arms of banks to give people loans who shouldn’t have qualified for the loans for the sake of helping the poor.

The economy would have done as well or better during obama’s terms under any republican who has ran for president over the last 50 and most dems (Bernie and Elizabeth being the most obvious exceptions).
lol
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03-07-2020 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Marcon says what experts have been saying for weeks. An epidemic is inevitable but we should stay calm, take precautions, but not panic.

Meanwhile we have a buffoon talking over the CDC and real experts trying to pretend Covid-19 will just go away.

With the might of the private sector finally starting to bear on the problem (Quest and LabCorp), we are going to see number of confirmed cases skyrocket.

And when anti bodies tests come out, my guess is we will find a lot of people already had the virus and fought it off without ever feeling sick. It’s the most plausible explanation I have seen so far for the death/infectious patter we have seen so far.
I think your right but in South Korea they have drive thru testing get your results in two days. USA $3000 to get a test out of your pocket.

I think the US numbers will stay low as the Trump regime will flat out lie about them and many that are infected will just not get tested. Plus if your illegal no fricking way your getting tested
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03-07-2020 , 07:16 PM
Supposedly the republicans/trump never have any intention of cutting social security either
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