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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
Answer b) first
b) Trump is referring to the remarks make by the VA governor, who was discussing late term abortions and after birth abortions of babies that were non-viable or brain dead, and giving the option to mothers and doctors to have the baby born to have organs harvested since the baby is brain dead or otherwise unviable anyway. It's a nuanced position that I am not particularly against, but the governor explained this VERY poorly and it sounded like it was available to viable babies as well unless you really read through his remarks carefully.
a) Of course Trump is going to run with this. It's standard politics, and anyone else who heard the VA governor's remarks would do the same, and in particular Trump likes to exaggerate. Just like how Biden and Buttigieg are mischaracterizing Trump's somewhat clumsy remarks about Charlottesville, which per the below, you seem to believe in.
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Ok - so over 2 years in now - let's list the things Trump materially has done that a beltway Republican wouldn't have:
Tax cuts for the wealthy? Nope. Both sides would have done that.
Deregulate everything and let industry run wild? Nope. Both sides there too.
Remove consumer protections set up during the Obama years? Same.
Boost military spending? (up 50% since 2015) Both sides would have done that. Dems too except maybe Bernie or Warren.
Express support for both sides a white supremacist rally? Ok yeah - that's new.
Declare a bogus national emergency at the border and massively escalate locking kids in cages? Yeah.
Repeatedly call the press the enemy of the people and erode faith in democracy? Yeah - Jeb! wouldn't be doing that.
Tariff wars? Definitely a Trump thing.
So here are my questions:
1) Trumpfans, do you dispute any of the red or green things - or am I leaving anything out?
2) Of the things that are different - which matter to you? Is tariffs really a big thing for everyone here?
Tax cuts for the wealthy - debunked by that right-wing outlet that is the failing NY times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/14/b...e-tax-cut.html Truth is, most everyone got a tax cut.
Express support for both sides a white supremacist rally? - Read the transcript; that's not what he said at all -
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sides-remarks/
""So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture.
And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."
And it was clear that there were indeed people coming out in support of the statutes that were not neo-Nazis or white nationalists. Again, from the white supremacist news source that is the NY times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/u...cans-race.html
Repeatedly call the press the enemy of the people and erode faith in democracy? - That's not what he said. He said "fake news" is the enemy of the people. Given the gaslighting from media regarding Trump/Russia collusion, the "very fine people on both sides" nonsense, and other issues, he is not wrong.
Going to cite the far-right white supremacist Nazi that is Glenn Greenwald:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/20...es_462521.html
I could address the other points, but perhaps it is incumbent on you to first do some soul searching and understand why you believe the things you do first.
Last edited by Morishita System; 04-29-2019 at 05:12 PM.